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Cardio fitness level and guided breathing in Blaze

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I wonder if there is any plan to have the new cardio fitness level and guided breathing in the upcoming firmware update for Blaze.

 

 

 

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It makes NO sense to own a blaze and a charge 2... Is the proposition that one would never use the blaze to track runs in order to get vo2 Max? But wait- then you would miss out on GPS data!

Vo2 Max was needed and I am quite happy Fitbit has implemented it- however making it device specific seems short sighted. If abhardware improvement was required I would understand a blaze 2- but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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Lets hope VO2max doesn't stay device specific, but it would be in character for Fitbit to wait months and months and months before putting on existing devices like Blaze and Surge.

Aria, Fitbit MobileTrack on iOS. Previous: Flex, Force, Surge, Blaze

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But really, what is the cardio fitness level going to tell us? My "resting heart rate" according to my Blaze is currently 49. I think that says about as much as a new feature can. Not that I don't want the feature or anything.

 

I'm also skeptical about how accurate it will be. I love looking at my Blaze and seeing my resting heart rate is 49 and my current heart rate is 42. It's also accurate enough during workouts, but I wouldn't bet my health on it.

 

As someone said above, fitbits are essentially pedometers and you have to take some of the other features with a grain of salt. I actually got my first fitbit because I was interested in the sleep tracking. I know I can fool it by just not moving, even if I'm awake, but it does sometimes help me feel as if I've slept better than I did, so that's something!

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@meresydotes wrote:

But really, what is the cardio fitness level going to tell us?


Not much, initially. Reading the Fitbit screenshots in this article reveal that Fitbit will use resting heart rate and "user profile" (probably age and BMI body fat) to determine a score (unless you run at least 10 minutes). There have been studies that show VO2max decreases with increasing BMI body fat and age. Without a real test, the score will be a 'feel good' score. Regarding accuracy - I'm skeptical. Will be interesting to see it get tested and compared to other companies that have been doing this for years.

 

Aerobic capacity (VO2max) is more or less genetically programmed, and important to endurance sports like running, cycling, long distance swimming, rowing, etc. Your aerobic capacity peaks in 20s, and decreases with age. Keeping body fat mass index below 10% around 10% and high intensity training sessions will help maintain your max aerobic capacity even as you age into 50s, 60s and 70s. 

Aria, Fitbit MobileTrack on iOS. Previous: Flex, Force, Surge, Blaze

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Completely off topic - but wow, I think that's amazing, my goal has been to try to get my resting heartrate to 49 by December. It currently goes between 51 and 53.

Maybe I need some long distance running or something - who knows, but I have to try something ! Nice to know it's possible.


@meresydotes wrote:

I love looking at my Blaze and seeing my resting heart rate is 49 and my current heart rate is 42. 

 


 

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@Brad. Yeah, OK, I'm pretty impressed with myself! Actually, that's one of the really cool things I found about Blaze. I can tell when I'm taking a medication that raises your blood pressure/ heart rate, as I'm up between 48-52. When I don't take it for a week, I go down to 45-48. I got really sick a month or so ago, and it shot up to 58. Which was pretty scary, actually.

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@meresydotesHappy you have recovered ! Hoping you continue to be healthy 🙂 

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@Brad. wrote:

Just came across this, so I thought I would share.

 

Cardio Fitness Level.png


This is why my next tracker will not be a Fitbit.  Blaze just came out this year, there is NO reason whatsoever this should not be added as a feature. 

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Yes, I'm sure Fitbit have nothing else to do 🙂

Mike | London, UK

Blaze, Surge, Charge 2, Charge, Flex 2 - iPad Air 2, Nokia Lumia 925 (Deceased), iPhone 6

Take a look at the Fitbit help site for further assistance and information.

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@meresydotes wrote:

@Brad. Yeah, OK, I'm pretty impressed with myself! Actually, that's one of the really cool things I found about Blaze. I can tell when I'm taking a medication that raises your blood pressure/ heart rate, as I'm up between 48-52. When I don't take it for a week, I go down to 45-48. I got really sick a month or so ago, and it shot up to 58. Which was pretty scary, actually.


@meresydotes Hope you are feeling better. Your RHR is lower than normal, are you a long-term runner/biker/swimmer? If not then you were probably born with a low RHR, like my wife. Hers is low enough that her primary care physician had her visit a specialist and she checked out just fine. She uses an app on her phone to check her HR once a week or so, the camera on most smartphone these days does an excellent job at checking your HR.

 

Changes in RHR shoudn't be scary. Fluctuations in resting heart rate (RHR) is normal, as is a RHR between 60-100bpm:

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/More/MyHeartandStrokeNews/All-About-Heart-Rate-Pulse_UCM_43...

 

@Brad. It is normal for athletes to have 60+ RHR, and some very aerobically fit people (or genetically 'gifted') to have a RHR between 40-60. If you seriously train for endurance sports (running/cycling/swimming/etc), its not surprising to see RHR go down over time, but everyone is different. I've been cycling fast an average of 5+ hours a week for over a year. My RHR when I wake up is in mid 60s, and thats normal. I don't watch my RHR everyday - it will fluctuate based on medications, amount of sleep, illness, etc. Thats normal. Its intellectually interesting to look at it, but generally you can't do much about it. I guess you could make it a game like step counting, but why?

 

Some interesting data is in the book "Dr. Sheehan on Running" (published 1975):

"The resting pulse rate tells me whether or not I am in an inner harmony, in equilibrium with my various body systems. For me, this is achieved when my pulse rate is 48. But for each individual, it is different. For some athletes in training, it can be quite slow. Tennis player Bjorn Borg amazed an examining physician when his heart rate was recorded at 38 beats per minute. This was also the resting rate of Roger Bannister when he broke the four-minute mile barrier.

On the other hand, Jim Ryun's basal pulse when he ran the mile almost nine seconds faster than Bannister was 72. And many Olympic runners have resting pulse rates in that range. A study of 202 Olympians showed that sprinters have average resting rates of 65, middle distance runners 63, long distance runners 61 and marathon runners 58. This last figure was also the one reported for Clarence DeMar, one of the greatest marathoners of all time. The resting pulse, therefore, simply tells me about my overall fitness. The exercise and post-exercise pulse tell me about my ability to perform and whether at this particular time I can perform up to my maximum."

 

Hope this makes it clear that RHR isn't a game, everyone is different and even elite athletes have RHR in the normal 60-100bpm range.

 

If you are getting ready for a big event, say a half-marathon, then keeping track of your RHR (measured when you wake up, not all day long) is one way to predict your fitness level and how well you will perform. If you are sick, well you already know you aren't going to perform as well, not matter if you are tracking RHR or not.

 

Where RHR can help is as one of several indicators of overtraining with endurance sports (running, cycling, etc). My goal is to enjoy group rides, to go faster and longer without 'hitting a wall.' That means focusing on lactate threshold, and doing intervals to train my body to more effectively deal with build up and to do a better job removing it. Now interval training is hard on the body, and while cycling is easier on the body than pounding the pavement (thats why I don't run), its still hard on the body to go out week after week and do hard Mon/Wed (or Tue/Thur) intervals, and then longer rides on weekends. Sometimes I use RHR to help identify overtraining, but I've found that in my 50s its pretty easy to tell without RHR by how tired I am in the morning. I do feed rides (with HRM) into TrainingPeaks and its a great predictor of overtraining (without RHR) once I figured out *my* training load ramp rates.

 

In summary the average Fitbit user should not treat RHR like a step goal. With a step goal if you've been sitting in front of a computer all day and only have 3000 steps, you can decide to go for awalk or run. For athletes the RHR is one of several performance predictors, used to prevent overtraining in preparation for an event. 

 

Hope that helps.

Aria, Fitbit MobileTrack on iOS. Previous: Flex, Force, Surge, Blaze

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@bbarrera Very interesting read and thanks for sharing ! I'm quite new to exercising, fitbit and all of these additional metrics so this was quite educational.

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Since these features are purely software related, we know Fitbit intentionally elected to screw loyal owners who bought its second most expensive product as a first generation, flawed device. Instead of doing everything to reward the early adopters, Fitbit must be hoping we will buy a new device.  This is poor judgment and poor business. Few Blaze owners will buy a lesser device just to obtain some marginal (mostly gimicky new features).  Yet many will be pissed that they don't have the most complete suite of features for no good reason.  This is why Apple wins.  Not that I love Apple, I don't, but pretty much everyone gets the newest firmware and features for years, limited to evolving technology where the device cannot accomodate the upgrade. Let's hope Fitbit sees the light. 

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but pretty much everyone gets the newest firmware and features for years, limited to evolving technology where the device cannot accomodate the upgrade. Let's hope Fitbit sees the light. 


@wxman123 This is the broad product line vs focused product line argument, and I agree with you.

 

Right now the Fitbit CEO is on record saying "... create a broad lineup of products that address a wide range of user needs, form factors and price points. Each product has a well thought out and highly incremental role in our lineup."

 

Highly incremental role? Seems like a way to justify minor differences between Charge 2 and Blaze. Music controls or not. Smartphone or basic notifications. Fitstar or not (feeling like failed experiment right now). Cardio fitness or not. After all these minor differences, I need Guided Breathing to calm down about my more expensive Blaze getting new faces/notifications but none of the new fitness features.

 

Not a fan of broad product lines for reasons stated. Honestly the Fitbit product line should be collapsed down to One (pocket), and at most 3 wrist models: small size (Flex 2), multi-sport (Charge 2), multi-sport with GPS (like Blaze but with GPS). Then spend R&D dollars in making them better. Be interesting to know if NFC chip is in the Flex 2 and Charge 2, or if Fitbit is planning other new product(s) to support payment solution. I'm guessing Surge 2 is going to be the first Fitbit with payment solution, to help encourage Blaze owners to upgrade.

 

I'm hopeful Cardio Fitness and Guided Breathing will appear someday on Blaze, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict 6-9 months from now, say Spring 2017. Thats long enough for Fitbit management to give  holiday shoppers a reason to splurge and go from $100 Flex 2 to $150 Charge 2 ('better screen and all those fitness features'), but short enough to appease Blaze owners when the Surge 2 smartwatch with payment is rolled out.

 

Will be interesting!

Aria, Fitbit MobileTrack on iOS. Previous: Flex, Force, Surge, Blaze

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This is a highly competitive space and let's face it, in the end 95% of users are buying an expensive "cool" pedometer.  Fitbit can learn much from the Apple model.  Focus on a few products, make them great.  Yes, make them expensive but make consumer believe they are getting value. Fitbit is screwing the pooch on the value proposition.  If I'm going to buy an expensive pedometer, give me features, options, updates, make me want to view my toy as a new experience periodically.  If the new watch faces came out months ago, OK, but now I feel like my top of the line product just took a few steps back compared to other offerings. It's WAY too soon for that given the price of the Blaze.

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I looked into the Apple watch for about 0.02 seconds. Up to 18 hour battery life. UP TO. 18 HOURS. Plus, you get stuck with the ghost of Steve Jobs. And you can only use it with an iPhone, which is a toy, not a piece of tech.

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@bbarrera wrote:

 Your aerobic capacity peaks in 20s, and decreases with age. Keeping body mass index below 10% and high intensity training sessions will help maintain your max aerobic capacity even as you age into 50s, 60s and 70s. 

Yikes!!!!
A BMI of less than 10% is NOT something to aim at. It's downright DANGEROUS.
The recommended range is 18.5--24.9.
Was this a mis-type? Not being a smarta** but I think it's important to correct 🙂

 

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@meresydotes wrote:

I looked into the Apple watch for about 0.02 seconds. Up to 18 hour battery life. UP TO. 18 HOURS. Plus, you get stuck with the ghost of Steve Jobs. And you can only use it with an iPhone, which is a toy, not a piece of tech.


Wow, just wow. I sell Android and Linux services all day long. I've been using Unix professionally since 1986. And yet somehow I manage to view my reliable and trusty iPhone/MacBookPro/AppleWatch as real productivity tools. And yes, I own an Android smartphone and tablet. And can write Android and iOS apps. And help the engineers that put Linux and Android into products you use and probably don't even know have Linux and Android inside.

 

I get more than 18 hours of battery life, for 15+ months now.

 

Go ahead and hate, you don't know what your missing.

Aria, Fitbit MobileTrack on iOS. Previous: Flex, Force, Surge, Blaze

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@SunsetRunner wrote:

@bbarrera wrote:

 Your aerobic capacity peaks in 20s, and decreases with age. Keeping body fat mass index below around 10% and high intensity training sessions will help maintain your max aerobic capacity even as you age into 50s, 60s and 70s. 

Yikes!!!!
A BMI of less than 10% is NOT something to aim at. It's downright DANGEROUS.
The recommended range is 18.5--24.9.
Was this a mis-type? Not being a smarta** but I think it's important to correct 🙂

 


@SunsetRunner Thanks for the correction. Body fat around 10%, not body mass (BMI).

Aria, Fitbit MobileTrack on iOS. Previous: Flex, Force, Surge, Blaze

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@meresydotes wrote:

I'm also skeptical about how accurate it will be.


Ok I'm really curious about this too and found this page that has several:

http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/endurancetests.html

 

Which predicts:

- 37 VO2max using Cooper 12 minute run test

- 39 VO2max using Rockport run test

 

Very interested to see what Fitbit predicts, guessing it will be closer to Cooper 12 minute run test. 

Aria, Fitbit MobileTrack on iOS. Previous: Flex, Force, Surge, Blaze

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@bbarrera I do kinda hate Apple products. But, really, the comment about the ghost of Steve Jobs didn't tip you off to the snark even a little?

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