11-26-2016 18:03 - edited 11-26-2016 18:07
11-26-2016 18:03 - edited 11-26-2016 18:07
Before I started jogging I would try to keep my heart rate in zone 3 (70 - 80%) and zone 4 (80 - 90%) of my max heart rate. In zone 3 I would be huffing and puffing, and zone 4 i would be realy huffing and puffing. I did hit zone 5 (90 - 100%) for short times, and in zone 5 I would be gasping for air.
When I first started jogging (1 to 2 minute intervals), my heart would get to zone 5 pretty quickly. Now (after only a few months), I can jog over 3 miles non stop and have noticed a big change in my breathing. Zone 5 feels like zone 4 used to feel like, and zone 4 feels like zone 3 used to feel like, and zone 3 feels like I am barely breathing heavy at all. I can actually stay in zone 5 for quite some time now without gasping for breadth.
Would it be safe to assume that it's because my fitness level is improving?
Has anyone else experienced this?
11-27-2016 11:45
11-27-2016 11:45
The heart is an organ made up of striated muscle tissue. Just like any muscle, the more you work it the stronger it gets. My guess as to why it feels like your heart is going to explode when pushing to the max is because the heart is not use to it. To answer your question, yes your fitness level is improving. Whatever your fitness goal is, if you are able to do more than what you did to begin with then your fitness level has improved.
11-27-2016 12:14
11-27-2016 12:14
@SunsetRunner wrote:The heart is an organ made up of striated muscle tissue. Just like any muscle, the more you work it the stronger it gets. My guess as to why it feels like your heart is going to explode when pushing to the max is because the heart is not use to it. To answer your question, yes your fitness level is improving. Whatever your fitness goal is, if you are able to do more than what you did to begin with then your fitness level has improved.
I never said my heart felt like it was going to explode. I am talking about my breathing.
But thank you.
11-27-2016 13:36
11-27-2016 13:36
@bcalvanese wrote:Before I started jogging I would try to keep my heart rate in zone 3 (70 - 80%) and zone 4 (80 - 90%) of my max heart rate. In zone 3 I would be huffing and puffing, and zone 4 i would be realy huffing and puffing. I did hit zone 5 (90 - 100%) for short times, and in zone 5 I would be gasping for air.
When I first started jogging (1 to 2 minute intervals), my heart would get to zone 5 pretty quickly. Now (after only a few months), I can jog over 3 miles non stop and have noticed a big change in my breathing. Zone 5 feels like zone 4 used to feel like, and zone 4 feels like zone 3 used to feel like, and zone 3 feels like I am barely breathing heavy at all. I can actually stay in zone 5 for quite some time now without gasping for breadth.
Would it be safe to assume that it's because my fitness level is improving?
Has anyone else experienced this?
Yes, lots of us experience it, errr, kinda-sorta. As many of y'all have seen in my posts, the Heart Rate Zones are basically wrong for a huge chunk of the population, regardless of which of the various formula are used to calculate said zones.
In my case, the calculated Zone 5 would equate to 144-160 BPM; however, given I can push my heart rate up into the mid 170s when busting hump up a long steep grade, I guess that means I can hit high into Zone 6 or even into Zone 7. 😛
All joking aside, what you are now experiencing is the adaptation your lungs have made to accommodate your running; you are now able to process more oxygen than before, and that in turn means you can push your body harder without getting out of breath. What it also means is the 220-Age formula for calculating your heart rate zone is very likely incorrect.
11-27-2016 14:28
11-27-2016 14:28
@shipo wrote:
@bcalvanese wrote:Before I started jogging I would try to keep my heart rate in zone 3 (70 - 80%) and zone 4 (80 - 90%) of my max heart rate. In zone 3 I would be huffing and puffing, and zone 4 i would be realy huffing and puffing. I did hit zone 5 (90 - 100%) for short times, and in zone 5 I would be gasping for air.
When I first started jogging (1 to 2 minute intervals), my heart would get to zone 5 pretty quickly. Now (after only a few months), I can jog over 3 miles non stop and have noticed a big change in my breathing. Zone 5 feels like zone 4 used to feel like, and zone 4 feels like zone 3 used to feel like, and zone 3 feels like I am barely breathing heavy at all. I can actually stay in zone 5 for quite some time now without gasping for breadth.
Would it be safe to assume that it's because my fitness level is improving?
Has anyone else experienced this?
Yes, lots of us experience it, errr, kinda-sorta. As many of y'all have seen in my posts, the Heart Rate Zones are basically wrong for a huge chunk of the population, regardless of which of the various formula are used to calculate said zones.
In my case, the calculated Zone 5 would equate to 144-160 BPM; however, given I can push my heart rate up into the mid 170s when busting hump up a long steep grade, I guess that means I can hit high into Zone 6 or even into Zone 7. 😛
All joking aside, what you are now experiencing is the adaptation your lungs have made to accommodate your running; you are now able to process more oxygen than before, and that in turn means you can push your body harder without getting out of breath. What it also means is the 220-Age formula for calculating your heart rate zone is very likely incorrect.
Thanks @shipo
In my case the formula is accurate. I had a stress test done about a year and a half ago and my MHR was 163. I was 57 then so it turned out to be what the formula says. I do agree it is not the case for many people though.
I do feel good knowing that my fitness level is improving, and being able to breath better at higher heart rate zones makes it easier to run longer distances. Today I was able to stay in zone 5 for 47 minutes.
About the same time i had the stress test done, I had my lungs tested too. They told me that I had COPD (I smoked for over 40 years) and gave me all these inhalers to use. I never felt like i needed an inhaler so I never used them. Back then my fitness level was extremely poor and I was obese (5'8" & 230 lbs.). I did quit smoking using electronic cigarettes and have not smoked for over 6 months now, and I was smoking 3 packs a day when I quit.
Also, the stress test showed a difference so they did a catherization and found that a small part at the bottom of my heart was slightly enlarged. They said I could have had a mini heart attack at some point. I had to get all these tests done for pre-surgery fo diverticulitis. They had to remove an 8" section of my colon.
I was in pathetic shape a year and a half ago, and was told to start exercising and lose weight or else I wouldn't be around much longer. This motivated me to start this journy, and I would like to thank you and others on this forum for your support and montivation.
11-27-2016 14:33
11-27-2016 14:33
@bcalvanese, given you can sustain Zone 5 for five minutes, I strongly suspect if you go through another stress test your max heart rate will be higher then it was last time around.
11-27-2016 14:46
11-27-2016 14:46
@shipo wrote:@bcalvanese, given you can sustain Zone 5 for five minutes, I strongly suspect if you go through another stress test your max heart rate will be higher then it was last time around.
Hmmm @shipo
That is an interesting thought.
I have a very accurate high end fitness device with a chest strap heart rate monitor.
What do you think about me doing a run that included an all out sprint to see how high I can get my old ticker going?
I've read that it's one way to determine MHR.
11-27-2016 14:52
11-27-2016 14:52
@bcalvanese wrote:
@shipo wrote:@bcalvanese, given you can sustain Zone 5 for five minutes, I strongly suspect if you go through another stress test your max heart rate will be higher then it was last time around.
Hmmm @shipo
That is an interesting thought.
I have a very accurate high end fitness device with a chest strap heart rate monitor.
What do you think about me doing a run that included an all out sprint to see how high I can get my old ticker going?
I've read that it's one way to determine MHR.
Certainly couldn't hurt; it'll be interesting to discover what you come up with.
11-27-2016 14:56
11-27-2016 14:56
@shipo wrote:
@bcalvanese wrote:
@shipo wrote:@bcalvanese, given you can sustain Zone 5 for five minutes, I strongly suspect if you go through another stress test your max heart rate will be higher then it was last time around.
Hmmm @shipo
That is an interesting thought.
I have a very accurate high end fitness device with a chest strap heart rate monitor.
What do you think about me doing a run that included an all out sprint to see how high I can get my old ticker going?
I've read that it's one way to determine MHR.
Certainly couldn't hurt; it'll be interesting to discover what you come up with.
Ok. I'll let you know.
12-01-2016 11:32
12-01-2016 11:32
@shipo wrote:
@bcalvanese wrote:
@shipo wrote:@bcalvanese, given you can sustain Zone 5 for five minutes, I strongly suspect if you go through another stress test your max heart rate will be higher then it was last time around.
Hmmm @shipo
That is an interesting thought.
I have a very accurate high end fitness device with a chest strap heart rate monitor.
What do you think about me doing a run that included an all out sprint to see how high I can get my old ticker going?
I've read that it's one way to determine MHR.
Certainly couldn't hurt; it'll be interesting to discover what you come up with.
I did a 3.5 mile run today. Towards the home stretch I sprinted to see how high I could get my old ticker going. I could not get it to go past 163 (my max heart rate from my stress test when I was 57). I kept trying to push harder and watching it, but it just stopped at 163.
That is a couple beats off from what the formula says, but close enough for me to know I am training at a good level. I do intend to try this more as I progress just to make sure.
Here is a link to the workout...
http://www.movescount.cn/moves/move133075461
The device I used to record this (Suunto Ambit 3 Peak) calculates an estimated VO2max, and I have noticed that it has been increasing since I started running. And it puts me at a "fair" fitness level, which is what I also consider myself to be at.
12-01-2016 13:23
12-01-2016 13:23
@bcalvanese, thanks for the update. 🙂