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RAGNAR - Reach The Beach 2016?

Hey gang, any other Fitbiters out there doing Reach the Beach this year?

 

I just joined a team to make this my fourth consecutive year to rub shoulders with the other crazies running from the White Mountains to Hampton Beach.  Hope to see y'all out on the course.  🙂

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how far does each team go?  Should be very beautiful there.

The activity that seems impossible today, will soon be your warm-up
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@Bobbinyc wrote:

how far does each team go?  Should be very beautiful there.


Yeah, New Hampshire, especially in September, is quite beautiful.  🙂

 

Each team goes the full 200+ miles; for a 12-person team, each person does three legs totalling between 12.4 miles and 20.4 miles (depending upon position).  For a 6-person "Ultra" team, each person does six legs totalling between 30.8 miles and 38.8 miles.

 

https://www.runragnar.com/event-detail/relay/reachthebeach

 

Here's a shot I took a couple of years ago during event:

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Ragnar sounds like so much fun! What a beautiful photo @shipo@Bobbinyc are there any Ragnars in your area? I know there is one near us - @DerrickS did it last year and is training (ahemmm) for it again this year! 

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@CallieFitbit wrote:

@DerrickS did it last year and is training (ahemmm) for it again this year! 


 

@CallieM Gesundheit. Robot wink

@shipo I'm doing the the Napa Valley Ragnar race for the 2nd time this year. Last year we had one person on our team drop out last minute so everybody had to run a little extra, but I ended up running 23.02 miles over three legs. 

Derrick | Retired Moderator, Fitbit

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@DerrickFitbit wrote:

@CallieFitbit wrote:

@DerrickS did it last year and is training (ahemmm) for it again this year! 


 

@CallieM Gesundheit. Robot wink

@shipo I'm doing the the Napa Valley Ragnar race for the 2nd time this year. Last year we had one person on our team drop out last minute so everybody had to run a little extra, but I ended up running 23.02 miles over three legs. 


When's the Napa Valley race?

 

Yeah, four legs is just about perfect (for non-Ultra teams that is); two years ago we had a two folks drop and one new runner come in at the last minute to do two legs meaning four of us had to do four (fortunately we entered as a Freestyle team).  I ended up with the following legs (total: 28.9 miles):

  1. 01 - 8.1 miles
  2. 06 - 8.6 miles
  3. 16 - 6.5 miles (with two 11% grade climbs totalling 800')
  4. 28 - 5.7 miles

 

All in all, I still prefer the 6-person Ultra teams; crack off a run every four to six hours, eat, sleep, drive, cheer, repeat.  🙂

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@DerrickFitbit wrote:

@CallieFitbit wrote:

@DerrickS did it last year and is training (ahemmm) for it again this year! 


 

@CallieM Gesundheit. Robot wink

@shipo I'm doing the the Napa Valley Ragnar race for the 2nd time this year. Last year we had one person on our team drop out last minute so everybody had to run a little extra, but I ended up running 23.02 miles over three legs. 


Hey Derrick, when is the Napa Valley event?  I'm probably going to be out there in a few weeks.  🙂

 

I've run the Reach to Beach relay the last three years and did 6-Legs/33-miles (6-person team), 4-Legs/29-miles (11-person team), and 3-Legs/18-miles (12-person team), and this year I'm slated for 3-Legs/19.8-miles.  Personally I prefer running with a 6-Person "Ultra" team; it is a lot of running but there is far less boredom, especially when the other van has the baton.  🙂

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@DerrickS, I've responded to your previous post on two previous occasions, and both have been deleted!  Annoying.

 

So, third time's a charm...

 

When's the Napa Valley event?  I ask because I'm probably going to be out there in a few weeks.

 

Relative to the relays, I've run RTB for three years now, the first year as a last-minute pickup on an Ultra team (32.8 miles/6-legs), the second year on a short handed company running-club team (29 miles/4-legs), third year a full 12-person company team (19 miles but with a 2.5 mile first leg with 1,000' up and 1,000' back down).  This year we have a full team (so far at least) as well and I'm only slated for 19.8 miles.

 

Oddly enough, I think I prefer running with a 6-person team; basically it is, run, eat, sleep, drive, cheer, repeat.  🙂

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@shipo Whooops! I've been caught up in the Help Forums too much and haven't spent that much time in the Discussions forums lately. Sorry for the delayed response.

Napa Valley is November 4 - 5th, which seemed to creep up out of no where.

 

We had somebody drop out last minute last year too. Luckily I didn't have to pick up an extra leg, but my race legs were the longer ones. Below are my splits for the legs that I ran:


1st leg:

This leg was 9 miles and mostly uphill so I was pretty pleased with my mile splits. You can tell because mile 7 was the steepest part of the climb and mile 8 was all downhill and I was cruising and taking advantage of my long stride (I'm 6'4). In hindsight, I probably should paced instead of raced this leg, I hit some serious walls later on.

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2nd Leg:

Even though this leg was almost completely flat, this was hands down the hardest leg for me. It was basically running down a pitch black highway at 11 PM which was very mentally tough. On top of it being very mentally tough, my legs were feeling the steep hills from my 1st leg.

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3rd leg:

At this point the only thing that was keeping me going was the thought of eating a huge brunch and making up for the huge caloric deficit that I was in.  This leg was also very flat and there were a few times that I almost got lost sometime around mile 3 or 4 since it was still pretty dark at 6:30 AM and I was mentally and physically exhausted.

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Derrick | Retired Moderator, Fitbit

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Hey Derrick,

 

You're going to laugh at my first leg from last year (a leg I requested another brave soul run this year).  Basically the start of RTB last year and this year was outside the main lodge of the Bretton Woods ski area, and then wound around for about a half-mile through a group of nice ski chalets, and then out on to a black diamond run called "Range View", and then almost exactly 1-mile straight up the slope (almost exactly 1,000' vertical gain).  Once up to the terminus of the gondola the course heads over to a winding service road and heads pretty much straight back down to the start; a total of 2.5 miles.  I plotted the course over on MapMyRun.com and had it display the elevation profile with grade percentages and it reported 22% for most of the ski slope.  Per my Dashboard view my average "Pace" while heading up the slope was in the 22:00-23:00 per mile range (but getting down to about 26:00 per mile at its slowest).

 

Leg 1:

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The thing about Leg 1 is the severity of the slope; on the way up I tore up my calf muscles, and on the way down I tore up my quads.  Long story short, eleven hours later when my turn for Leg 2 came around I could barely stand up much less walk or run.  The good news was that leg started with an easy downhill and then a long grinding climb of over two miles.  The downhill bits helped loosen me up a bit, and by the time I crested the hill half way through, I had loosened up and while still sore, I was able to hammer out a pretty good pace.

 

Leg 2:

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By the time Leg 3 rolled around I wasn't in any better shape than I was for Leg 2, unfortunately this leg was uphill for the entire distance save a small rolling hill patch in the third mile.

 

Leg 3:

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By the end of the event on Saturday I quite honestly said, "I'm in worse shape now after only 19 miles than I was two years ago when I did 32.8 with the ultra team."  That and literally everybody with a "-01" designation on their bib looked crippled from that first hill.

 

So very glad I'm not doing it this year.  🙂

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@shipo I joked about doing an Ultra team this year, but I sprained my ankle a few months ago and haven't been able to train as much as I would have liked to. 

Speaking of legs hurting, do you foam roll at all? After Ragnar, I started foam rolling regularly and would highly recommend it if you don't do it already.

Derrick | Retired Moderator, Fitbit

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@DerrickFitbit wrote:

@shipo I joked about doing an Ultra team this year, but I sprained my ankle a few months ago and haven't been able to train as much as I would have liked to. 

Speaking of legs hurting, do you foam roll at all? After Ragnar, I started foam rolling regularly and would highly recommend it if you don't do it already.


Nope, I don't foam roll, that said, I don't get all that sore either, even after a monster race or workout.  🙂

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@shipo Ragnar made me a foam roll believer! One of the guys in my van had a trigger point foam roller and massage stick and my legs felt instantly better after using them.

 

For the most part I don't get sore either, but I think my legs were not used to transition of running, sitting in a car, and then running again. For me, the foam roller definitely helped in between legs when a proper recovery wasn't an option.

Derrick | Retired Moderator, Fitbit

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Hey Gang,

 

We just had one of our team runners report an injury which is going to keep him out of this year's event which starts at 06:45 tomorrow morning.  😞

 

At this point I'm planning on picking up his first run of 8.1 miles and a couple other team members are going to pick up his second and third runs, 3.5 and 4.1 miles respectively, however, if any of y'all are so inclined and live here in New England, we have an open slot for a runner who is game to run a total of 15.7 miles spread out in three legs over a 24 hour period.

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Good news, we've found a new runner to join our team.  🙂

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RAGNAR Reach-the-Beach 2016 update...

 

Great news; due to the almost idealic weather Friday and Saturday our team tore through the 203 mile course two hours faster than our forecast.  I picked up the baton Friday morning at 9:36 for my 10.94 mile leg down to the Attatash Ski resort parking lot, a course which features an average decline of about 49' per mile (not enough to even see, but enough to tease the brain into thinking you might be running downhill at any given moment, errr, except when you were clearly climbing).

 

As I came out of the transition area a young "20-Something" kid blew past me with his headphone blaring, and I told him "Great pace, keep it up."  I doubted he heard me.  Having gotten passed so quickly my brain slid into "chase mode" and dialed up the pace a bit; my legs and lungs said, "Hey, not sure we can sustain this pace," my brain said, "Meh, just go with it; we'll slow down if we must."

 

Over the next nine or so miles I passed literally dozens of runners and managed to stay far enough out of reach of the faster runners who may have been behind me to avoid getting passed again.  Then it happened, as I crossed the 9-mile mark I caught sight of the kid who passed me at the start; he was maybe a quarter of a mile in front of me and I was reeling him in fairly quickly.  As I approached within about 100' of him he slowed to a trot, and then to a walk, and as I passed him he said, "Great pace, keep it up!"  Hmmm, guess he heard me.  🙂

 

When I handed off the baton to our Leg 7 runner I forgot for a few moments to turn off my Fitbit, such was the fog my brain was in.  When I finally remembered to terminate "Free Run" mode, I was stunned to see my Surge displaying only 1:24 since the start of the run.  My final splits looked like this:

  • Mile 1: 7:54
  • Mile 2: 8:03
  • Mile 3: 7:50
  • Mile 4: 7:47
  • Mile 5: 7:27
  • Mile 6: 7:23
  • Mile 7: 7:34
  • Mile 8: 7:46
  • Mile 9: 7:25
  • Mile 10: 7:32
  • Last .94: 7:18 (7:41 pace)

 

Average pace 7:40.  To say I was surprised was an understatement; I was *hoping* to run at an 8:30 pace and was thinking even that might be optimistic.  🙂

 

I'll report on my final two legs in another post.

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@shipo Just finished Ragnar Napa Valley last weekend and as luck would have it, my first two legs were almost the same as the ones that I ran last year.

 

Leg 1:

What the screenshot doesn't do a good job of showing is that I had 82 floor climbed for Friday, the majority of them coming from this leg. The first 3 miles were pretty flat and steady, so I paced myself knowing that the hills were about to come (this leg was marked as "very hard").

Around mile 4 is where the hills kicked in and you can tell from the split difference that mile 5 was the steepest part of the run. I ended up walking a lot of the really steep hills and tried to take advantage of my long stride since I knew I wasn't going much faster when running and I could conserve way more energy.

 

The nice thing is that mile 6 switched to downhill, and I was again relying on my long stride and cruised down the hill in a zig zag. I'm 6'4 so when there's a steep decline, it's really easy for me to open my stride up and pass people hard, which is always a good feeling Man Happy

 

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Leg 2:

I ran this leg around 11 PM and it was on a dark straight highway which is my worst case scenario for a run. I don't do well on my runs when there isn't any sort of visual aspect or scenery, and the cars on the highway would constantly temporarily blind me with their headlights.

Knowing that this was going to be a tough run, I ran with my phone and played a lot of pump up music through my phone's speaker (which ended up being a lot of metal). I didn't run with headphones because I wanted to stay aware of my surroundings. This leg owned me last year, so I did a lot more mental preparation going into it. I was happy with how this leg turned out for me.

 

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Leg 3:

This was supposed to be my "easy run", but my legs felt like garbage and the sleep deprivation was kicking in. On top of it all, I started to get a calf cramp around mile 2, so I ended up running a slower on this leg than I did with the steep hills on leg 1.

What was nice was that I was the 5th runner in van 1, so I knew that a big breakfast in store almost immediately after I finished.  I ended up eating: a big breakfast burrito, a side of bacon, coffee and a celebratory mimosa afterwards; but I easily could have eaten more.

 

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Derrick | Retired Moderator, Fitbit

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@DerrickS, congratulations on your RAGNAR event!

 

 I just looked at the course route and wee there are a few hills in Marin County, and then something really nasty at about the 125 mile mark.  Given how hilly it is here in New Hampshire (I typically get between 125 and 200 floors per training run), I'm thinking maybe I could find a team for next year's Napa Valley RAGNAR, pop out to visit my cousin in Sonoma, and have a ball doing an event in a different setting.  Maybe I'll see you then!

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