10-20-2016 13:41
10-20-2016 13:41
Here is a link to some of Nathan Pritikin's research from the 70's. It wasn't published until 1988. This research was the basis of the opinions of many whole food plant based ways of eating a circle of doctors recommend today.
It's about 500 pages of slow reading, but it's critically informative.
The research isn't really "secret", but it wasn't widely published.
10-20-2016 14:38
10-20-2016 14:38
10-20-2016 16:07
10-20-2016 16:07
Maybe I'll wait for the video....
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@USAF-Larry wrote:Maybe I'll wait for the video....
I doubt if there will be a video unless it's filmed at a seance.
I'm beginning to experience what kept so many doctors and others quiet through the years. Everyone considers Dr. John Kellogg a quack because they don't read what he wrote and they don't understand he worked primarily with constipation. He lived to be 91.
People malign Ancel Keys because they say the seven countries in the study he did were cherry picked from 22 countries. He lived to be 100.
I recall Jack Lalanne saying he was going to live into his 90's when I watched him on TV in the late 50's or early 60's. He lived to be 95.
Dr. Ken Cooper, the inventor of the term "aerobics" is best known for recommending exercise and then Jim Fix dying. He is 84 or 85, runs every day and works over 60 hours a week running a clinic in Dallas and curing heart disease and other degenerative diseases.
T. Colin Campbell, who did the China Study everyone loves to hate is 80 years old, healthy and active. He is reversing heart disease at the Cleveland Clinic.
Nathan Pritikin died with leukemia when he was 69. He fought it for over 20 years in a time when there was no cure. He started his research after a severe heart problem, and when he died, he had clear arteries.
Dr. Ornish is the youngster at 63. He is curing heart disease through diet.
Dr. McDougall is 69. He had a severe stroke when he was around 20 years old and wasn't expected to live. Now he has no sign of disease, working long hours and an active wind-surfer.
Dr. Furhman is 63, healthy and active. He is curing heart disease and other degenerative diseases through diet.
Dr. Denis Burkitt, who is best known for pointing out the need for more fiber in our diet, broke the diet code during the 18 years he was the minister of health in Uganda. He died when he was 82.
Dr. Esselstyne, from Forks over Knives is about 83 and still working to cure people from heart disease and other degnerative diseases through diet.
Dr. Neal Bernard is carrying on Nathan Pritikin's work. He is 63. (1953 was a good year. I was born then, too.)
Dr. William Kempner, who created the somewhat controversial rice diet and showed the link between food and longevity lived to be 93. Most of the doctors listed above stood on his shoulders.
They aren't all vegan. Dr. Ornish is probably the least vegan of them all. The point is, all of these people are exchanging information. Well, the live ones are. This group is a longitudinal study of a particular type of diet that prevents degenerative diseases. I'd have to go back and read their individual books, but a healthy 90 years old is considered almost a layup, and now they are quietly saying an active 100 years old is doable.
They are all a great example of a "public and private" opinion. Publically, they can only recommend a diet that won't turn off the world. Privately, meaning there are only obscure statements saying a couple simple things they have essentially the same recommendations: Get less than 10% of your calories each day from fats of any kind -- preferably around 7%. Don't eat any refined sugar. Don't smoke. Get some exercise. Tracking only fats forces a particular diet that is high enough in proteins and high in carbohydrates.
Moderation doesn't work because of its effect on chloresterol levels. You can read Dr. Pritikin's work to learn why a low chloresterol level on a fatty diet isn't healthy.
There is something else I've noticed the living doctors doing recently. I'll keep that part of my private opinion.
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10-21-2016 06:43
10-21-2016 06:43
You may have missed my point, @marfar. I have no interest in reading page after page of articles about speciality diets, celebrity diets, fad diets, etc., etc., etc.. For every study, paper, or dissertation published on how a special diet will allow us live forever, there are 3 or 4 studies or papers about how that diet will kill us. A classic example is the Adkins Diet - thousands of pro and con articles written on that speciality diet. But, in the end the diet killed the author with heart disease. Not a good plan for me.....
I have lived a very healthy lifestyle for 70+ years on the midwestern farm diet, and I don't see a reason to change it in the foreseeable future. To me, a healthy diet consists of balanced meals with portion control. There is no reason to deprive oneself of some food they truly love, if they learn to eat just a small portion of it along with other good foods. I don't do processed foods because of the chemicals used to process it, and they are devoid of most nutrients. I have never been, nor desired to be a vegetarian. It works for some people, and that is good, but it is not for me. Some of the healthiest part of my diet is the exercise I get by gardening to grow the fruits and vegetables.
10-21-2016 06:54
10-21-2016 06:54
@USAF-Larry wrote:Maybe I'll wait for the video....
Tongue firmly implanted in cheek; well done. 🙂
10-21-2016 09:33
10-21-2016 09:33
I think I've had enough of the Fitbit forums. See you.
10-21-2016 10:42
10-21-2016 10:42
10-21-2016 11:44
10-21-2016 11:44
@marfar wrote:
Diets can kill ...
..... Diets are recipes that have no value.
A person's diet is what that person eats every day, to sustain life. A diet is not a weight loss plan, a detox plan, or any other special plan/recipe/food. A weight loss plan is not a diet, it is a diversion from the daily diet.
10-21-2016 13:01
10-21-2016 13:01
@GershonSurge wrote:I think I've had enough of the Fitbit forums. See you.
I don't understand, you're quitting the forum because there are many dedicated omnivores who reject vegetarian diets as strongly as you advocate for them? You had to know this was the case and by continuing to advocate for fad diets you'd continue to get pushback from those of us who reject such diets.
10-21-2016 14:11
10-21-2016 14:11
Shipo,
No. I'm tired of the falsehoods. For instance, these ARE NOT fad diets.
I'm not going to discuss them anymore. I'm wasting too much time even thinking about them anymore
See you.
Gershon
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@marfar wrote:
"Let food to be your medicine." - Hippocrates said in the year 400 BC. Medicine today revolves around "a pill for every illness" (!) It is very interesting that I had diabetes with three kinds of insulin and, of course, heart problems from 2002 ... Since January 2014 we have completely eliminated dairy, meat and eggs! The results began to emerge after one week! After eight months I totally renounced all insulin and pills (9!) for the heart! I am not vegan or raw-vegan! But I am aware of the importance of fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts for health! And physical movement, and mood, thoughts! Thanks for the share!
It's amazing how quickly the body recovers once the poisons are removed from the diet. Generally, about 70% of all people can get off all medications within ten days. (1) Heart disease can be quickly arrested almost up to the point of death, and then reversed over a five year period . The best "modern medicine" can do without the right diet is slow the progress of heart disease and other degenerative conditions.
Pritikin's general position is that all degenerative diseases are caused by the same poisons in the diet. He points out that many people with heart disease have an assortment of other ailments. Eat the right foods, and most of them disappear.
The long document I referenced is complex, but it can be reduced to a simple formula. Keep the percentage of calories from fat below 10% and preferably at 7%. Don't eat any refined sugars. That's it!
This allows for about 3 oz of meat a day or about 1 ounce of nuts if a person is getting a good bit of exercise. I don't know how much dairy as I don't eat it (except for the occasional times I deviate).
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10-23-2016 15:03
10-23-2016 15:03
I bought the book you recommended. I like it right from the start!
American medicine starts with the premise that people need a drug to cure symptoms and doesn't really look at removing the cause of the symptoms. Most people foolish enough to go to the doctor end up with another prescription and another appointment. It continues until the doctor is rich and the patient dies with no money.
In my opinion, there is something close to a perfect diet, and there is a circle of doctors who have the "secrets." They are only secrets because people refuse to even look at something different. If they did and didn't change, they would have to recognize their degenerative conditions are a choice and not the luck of the draw.
10-23-2016 16:44
10-23-2016 16:44
Dr. Barbara Berkeley, says there is no such thing at the perfect diet. In her article, Don’t waste your time finding the perfect diet, she addresses all of the "Perfect" diets, and the fact that their authors all died at a fairly early age. Her conclusion?
"This is the best we can do. But even this is a lot. In the meantime, don’t waste your time feeling badly about the fact that you don’t eat perfectly. Find your own way. Clean things up as much as you can and enjoy the process of personal discovery. And by the way, (note to myself!) when you do find the diet that fits like a glove, avoid the temptation to proclaim that it is the one and only truth."
10-23-2016 19:23
10-23-2016 19:23
You may have missed the list I posted earlier.
This is the list from your post: Nathan Pritikin: 69. Robert Atkins: 72. Roy Walford: 79. Adelle Davis: 70. Aveline Kushi: 78. Marjorie Shostak: 51. Jack LaLanne: 96. Ancel Keys:100
Nathan Pritikin died from leukemia at age 69. He had it before he started eating in a healthy way and fought it off for over 20 years during a time when there was no treatment. (Technically, he committed suicide when it became evident suffering would start, but people usually say he died of leukemia.)
I think it would be instructive to read "The Superinvestors of Graham and Doddsville" as it illustrates a critical point.
The consider that all the people in the earlier post had essentially the same diet described by Nathan Pritiken. Like investors, there are minor differences, but nothing essential. Some were his mentors and he mentored others.
In any group with any kind of diet, there will be exceptions. That's how probabilities work.
The "find your own way" method is unacceptable as a person could easily be dead before they find it. It's one of the copouts from people who won't do comprehensive research. I can understand that from an individual, but from a medical doctor claiming to be an expert in nutrition, it is close to malpractice.
You mentioned the Atkins diet as deadly. It is the polar opposite of the Pritikin diet.
10-23-2016 19:34
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10-24-2016 00:50
10-24-2016 00:50
I did a little more research on Dr. Barbara Berkley. She is an obesity specialist whose patients generally don't get better. She made the claim there is not a perfect diet but she says, "The book sums up what I've learned so far in over 25 years of practice as an obesity specialist in...
An "aha moment" finally makes it to the front page of the NY Times Sunday Review. Just kidding. We've been talking about this in my practice for 30 years.
Giving up most carbs (except fruits and vegetables) works!!! For weight loss. For diabetes. Why is it such a radical idea? It's not! It just seems that way for two reasons: 1. we are all EUI ("Eating Under the Influence". Carbs are addictive and we'll do anything not to give them up and 2. The food companies would go out of business if we all suddenly figured it out. They want to make sure we don't."
The doctor who claims there isn't a perfect diet wrote a book recommending a perfect diet. "Refuse to Regain..." Her recommendation is essentially the Atkins Diet by another name. She bases her opinion on the idea we should eat what primal people ate...as if we know what primal people ate. Like us, different groups ate all sorts of things based on local customs and what was available. Finding a few old fire pits with meat remnants around it doesn't mean anything except that meat fossils form and starch fossils don't.
Why should I value the opinion of a doctor whose patients don't get better by her own admission while attempting to follow a known deadly diet?
The reason I'm such a big fan of Dr. McDougall is because I can Google "McDougall" plus the topic and find an article he wrote. In this case, McDougall plus Paleo yields this article. A person could easily consider this article biased if they don't know the totality of the reasons Dr. McDougall recommends a starch based diet with no animal products and no added oils.
Going back to ancient people is pointless because there were many ancient diets.
I'm not going to reprint whole books here. (Maybe it's too late to say that.) If you read the first 20 pages or so of the Pritikin Report I recommended, you will get a good idea of the research. You will find a solution that cures or prevents the many degenerative diseases people suffer from. If you go little further, you will learn why halfway measures don't work.