10-02-2017
10:52
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06-13-2018
15:02
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SantiR
10-02-2017
10:52
- last edited on
06-13-2018
15:02
by
SantiR
I have had my ionic for a week tomorrow. Still have not been able to sync it properly and use it. I have talked to the customer service team multiple times and spent hours trying to trouble shoot with them.
It takes about 2 hours to get it set up. It syncs for about 5 minutes and then disconnects. It then goes back and forth from looking and syncing but never connects.
How long do we need to wait before this gets fixed or they can give some update. I have tried all the trouble shooting including factory reset, etc. Very frustraing.
Moderator Edit: Updated Subject for Clarity
02-05-2018 09:43
02-05-2018 09:43
Requiring location permission for syncing is related to Android's support for Bluetooth LE. It's an Android requirement that the location permission be enabled. Has nothing to do with Fitbit. This has been the situation since Android 6.0.
02-05-2018 11:06
02-05-2018 11:06
Yep, I did this as well, along my path of trying to get my Ionic to be even remotely "consistent".
It worked, as a new device, for a few days, and then reverted to the same sync issues. This was almost a month ago though, so I suppose newer firmware could make this a more viable solution, maybe, hopefully.
Me, I'm waiting to see what happens next, and in the meantime my Charge2 "just works", it's had zero issues across this whole span.
Maybe the Ionic will stabilize, fully, but I'll likely wait for whatever's next, my hours of fiddling with Bluetooth have more or less ruined my trust, for the Ionic anyway.
They still haven't rectified their music sync issues (not my big "purchase point" for it anyway), at all really. It's been a long time since this watch was released, for it to be so "unstable" still, IMO.
02-05-2018 12:05
02-05-2018 12:05
So I guess I spoke too soon. 😞 After a couple of hours of working great my Ionic is back to only syncing consistently if I go to settings on the watch and search for Bluetooth devices. At this point I’m finished messing with this Ionic. I’d be willing to try another one in case this particular Ionic has something wrong with its hardware, but Fitbit isn’t willing to do that so I guess I’ll just return this one for a refund while I still can. I’m beyond frustrated at this point and have wasted too many hours trying to get it to work consistently.
02-05-2018 12:29
02-05-2018 12:29
I have about had it with the ionic. I have had this thing for only 3 weeks and it won't sync for anything. I have an LG V20. I understand the Bluetooth LE issue and my Charge 2 worked fine for awhile before succumbing to this issue. I uninstalled/reinstalled the app.....restarted my phone....powered off my phone....and still this thing does not work well. 17 pages of syncing complaints...17!!!
02-05-2018 18:14
02-05-2018 18:14
@shv @LynnMM22 @jberg @rmurphy007 @AxlRozman @Tharnid I'm glad to see you all in the Fitbit Community! Are you still experiencing this syncing situations? If you are, please check this helpful article and follow all of the troubleshooting steps listed there in the order given. If you already did this in the past, please try them again as I'm sure this should work now. Make sure you have a supported device too! If you have trouble while set up, check the steps here to sort that out.
@Colinm39 @tccutter @Tiborc @Rach77 @Daisy1066 Thanks for confirming that your Ionics are now syncing properly. I'm very glad to hear that you are back on track now. Let me know if you need further with syncing.
@Joes1962 Have you contact customer support back regarding your experience already?
Additionally, just make sure the Fitbit App you are using is updated to its latest version. Also, you could try a factory reset by going to the settings on your Ionic > About > Factory Reset, and try syncing again, You could also try setting your Ionic as a replacement device and try syncing again.
Hope this helps. If you need more help, let me know. Keep me posted!
02-05-2018 23:28
02-05-2018 23:28
Seriously.......
Nothing have been fixed since before Christmas. Please tell us when there will be an update that will fix the sync issue with IPhone. There was an update on the software a week ago but without a description. What was in that release?
I have two option for doing the sync, either to my Mac or connect the Ionic the the charger (even if it is almost fully charged). For me that is a clear indication that there is an issue with the software (most likely both in the Ionic and the App).
The Ionic is good for tracking exercises and look ok but it is not SMART and the "beta" version is to expensive.
02-06-2018 04:08
02-06-2018 04:08
Santifitbit: it’s getting really anoying having Fitbit reps tell me over and over that I just need to go through the troubleshooting steps then everything will work. And I’m tired of hearing that since my Ionic will eventually sync (after I have to manually set the Bluetooth search on in settings) that everything is fine. What I really want to hear is “we realize we have syncing issues with these Ionics, please be patient and know that we are working to get these issues resolved”. This head in the sand dialogue is really getting old. I’ve spent hours on the phone doing everything I’m told to get my Ionic working properly. I’ve asked repeatedly to have my Ionic swapped for another one and feel like the reason this has not been offered as an option is that FItbit knows this won’t help.
02-06-2018 05:01
02-06-2018 05:01
Seriously? An article stating that I need an account. I have had a Fitbit for at least 5 years. I understand the account and syncing issues. I have followed every suggestion including all of the resets and reinstalls. I never had this problem before getting the Ionic this tear. I got this so I could go out with just the watch and have everything I needed on my wrist. This is not what has happened, for the price it doesn’t do what is should. Can’t access wireless so I have to connect to my desktop always to download music. It’s been a huge waste of my time. Continuing to send me to articles that are not helpful just adds to the waste of time and my patience. I use both IOS and Android and have the same problems on both. Fix it!
02-06-2018 05:02
02-06-2018 05:02
I have had my ionic for less than 48hrs and I am ready to package it back up and return it. After about 12 hrs I am not getting notifications, it will not stay connected, I have followed all the troubleshooting tips, and I am just over it. This version costs WAY too much to have this many issues straight from the box. I am thinking I need to just go back to my blaze. Never had any issues with it, just thought the ionic looked like a great upgrade. Not to mention I don't think this version is very user friendly at all.
02-06-2018 05:10
02-06-2018 05:10
@SantiR The latest Android App V2.66 is on the APK site... no mention in the Android Forum yet...
Will this help some of these issues... ? See my other link
02-06-2018 08:26
02-06-2018 08:26
This thing is a total joke.
I actually like the watch. I think it's kind of cool. It's not the most accurate thing in terms of distance and heart rate. The display is nice and it provides a lot of good information.
Sync to the android app barely even works sporadically. I just checked and the last time it synced was yesterday morning at 7:35. It's been over 24 hours since I got it to sync. I tried a couple of manual syncs. It spun for about five minutes and then showed the same sync time as before, meaning that it didn't sync manually. I've tried the whole start/stop bluetooth and reboot the phone, and nothing. And even if it did work, I shouldn't have to jump through all of these hoops just to get the product to work.
I'm using the latest android app update. I'm starting to lose hope that this will ever work reliably.
02-06-2018 16:26
02-06-2018 16:26
I want to add this, and it’s something I’ve told the Fitbit reps every time I’ve called. If I go to settings/Bluetooth on the Ionic and click on “new device” my Ionic will connect and Sync just fine unless the sync takes too long and the Ionic stops looking for a device to pair with. So I feel like the hardware is solid, and Fitbit techs just need to figure out what’s broken on the software/firmware side. What concerns me is how they keep acting like there isn’t any issue.
I decided to ride this out and didn’t return my Ionic before the return deadline ended because I really do like it overall. I just want them to get the sync bugs fixed!
02-06-2018 19:10
02-06-2018 19:10
Yeah, as much as I got frustrated with Ionic (before I returned it), there are other "players" in the mix here.
The driver system (mostly on Windows, but Android has more of a "layered system" now too; I'm not as familiar with the iOS model) has a series of drivers, that an app (such as the FitBit one) relies on.
The chipset (like Qualcomm and Broaodcomm, for example) typically create drivers, for their specific Bluetooth implementations, and release these to OEMs and IHVs, who use them to test and integrate Bluetooth, pretty much everywhere.
On top of that, many vendors have an "abstracted bluetooth stack driver", or similar, so that an app, like the FitBit one, only has to know a certain language (API sets) to talk to their device, regardless of the brand/make/model device you're using to do so.
Sometimes, as s/w and firmware developers do, bugs get introduced, into both sides (really all three, if you want to count the h/w as well), coming from someone who used to work on h/w and s/w "boundary" tests.
There are lot of places for things to go awry here, particularly in Bluetooth LE, which is still sort of "relatively young" technology.
All that aside though, Bluetooth has gotten a TON more stable than it was, say in the 90's, or even the 2000's, the bigger, gaping flaws have pretty much all been patched, and "known good code base" is used when embarking on many/most new revisions, to avoid reverting (not to mention most are down-level compatible).
There's also the issue with things like my BLE 5.0 chipset, on my desktop, which pretty has only failed a handful of times, syncing my old Charge, and Charge 2, and yet it really, really struggled with the Ionic.
The Ionic is likely using some of the newer protocol constructs, the "less tested" variety, in an attempt to become even more power-efficient, reliable, etc.
Sometimes it all lines up, all your stack is good, the app is good, and the device is good, and things just work, almost "magically".
When they don't though, it's tough, you end up trying to trace back through connection logs, reset a bunch of stuff, and the developers who are "fixing" these issues often don't have great access to a reproduction scenario, which can be crucial to determine a fix (post-mortem debugging is much beter, but still not the same).
You can also have 3rd party "filter drivers" and the like, say you have a special Bluetooth monitoring app, that installs a driver (it almost has to), and helps you diagnose BT issues. If it's driver has a bug, well, it's going to hose things, and there's very little the FB can do about it, other than trying to work with that vendor, provided they're even still around, and open to discussion.
Is the Ionic and the FB s/w modules that function with the new Ionic features buggy? Yep, at least in my opinion, and things like the music sync modules are ridiculously so, IMO, they've stepped back almost a couple of decades.
Hopefully, the problem isn't in some chipset module, on the Ionic, that's hard to fix, or basically impossible to fix, that part is hard to know, and FitBit is unlikely to be forthcoming about itl, the same way they tend to deny most of the "real problems", because it implies fault, and then it goes down a whole different path, of users demanding fixes to those reports, even though the problem might be (mostly) in modules that they don't even own/control.
I worked on some early USB tests, and there was a darn-good reason we called it "plug and pray", way back, when USB was about as stable as Bluetooth is today. USB is a lot easier to fix though, wireless is ALWAYS harder, you have latency issues, interference, how to handle "lost packet data", the whole bit, and BLE is harder still, becuase it has to do all this, and use a very small amount of battery, per-spec.
I'm not in a hurry to buy another Fitibt this time, my Charge2 is going to be my "staple", until I see some better post-release reviews, for whatever comes next.
Hopefully this sheds some light, on why some users see issues, while others are fine, why some setups "just work", while other "seemingly similar" systems fail so miserably, it has to the with the multi-layered design we've reached (for great reasons, it solves a TON of older computing problems), typically.
02-06-2018 19:27
02-06-2018 19:27
@PeteG-1 Great post... brings back many memories and gives substance to what Fitbitters are faced with the variety of phones they are using.. and of course their Fitbits.
Thanks for the memories.. Colin
02-06-2018 21:36
02-06-2018 21:36
@Colinm39 You bet, it was kinda' fun, typing up my 1000-foot-view of layered architecture, and why people should at least try to consider the bigger picture, before blaming.
No question in my mind though, the sync, music, and a few other issues were probably fairly well known, and they were likely staring down the "schedule chicken" runway, for holiday production, it's a little scary, when these calls get made, for that particular timing.
I suspect that in the past, they've done some pretty extensive testing, and ferreted out most of the known chipsets problems', and spent some time iterating on fixing/testing these, until they were "mostly stable".
Since the Ionic is a new platform, the challenge of completing the same, in that timeframe was likely impossible, given resources.
Personally, I HATE date-driven releases, I've shipped junk, several times, because of the same. Time-driven cyclical releases are better, say every 6, 12 months, or similar, but really I'm a feature-driven kind of engineering guy, I struggle sometimes, with some of the new development methodologies. Some can work, but only if you have a team that all want to work 80-100hr weeks, for several months before, and maybe a month after RTM.
02-08-2018 20:04
02-08-2018 20:04
I'm also having trouble getting ionic to sync with my Galaxy S8 as many people as I've seen post this it's got to be on fitbits part and as much money as it cost this needs to be fixed by fitbit not us the consumer that spent all this money constantly trying to trouble shoot. seriously considering returning. I only got this one because I need waterproof but fitbit does have a cheaper way for me to go if they can't fix the expensive one.
02-12-2018 15:22
02-12-2018 15:22
I agree they should own up to the issues. but the big question is when the heck are they going to fix it.
02-12-2018 21:56
02-12-2018 21:56
wrote:I agree they should own up to the issues. but the big question is when the heck are they going to fix it.
They're super-unlikely to admit there's an issue, because as soon as they do, there's a "fault problem".
What if they gave everyone Bluetooth dongles, and a special-rate Pandora deal (pure speculation), and say most aren't happy with that, as a "solution".
If it's in s/w or "fixable f/w" (things like chipsets aren't easily fixable), they'll probably patch things up, eventually, and then move on, from whatever marginal component(s) are the biggest part of the problem, for the next devices. If it's not, well...
I really liked my Ionic, but I returned it, because when the Bluetooth issues were present, they were bad, early 2000's bad, IMO. I don't think my Charge2 has failed to sync even once, since I put it back on.
02-13-2018 01:45
02-13-2018 01:45
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There's also the issue with things like my BLE 5.0 chipset, on my desktop, which pretty has only failed a handful of times, syncing my old Charge, and Charge 2, and yet it really, really struggled with the Ionic.
The Ionic is likely using some of the newer protocol constructs, the "less tested" variety, in an attempt to become even more power-efficient, reliable, etc.
Sometimes it all lines up, all your stack is good, the app is good, and the device is good, and things just work, almost "magically".""
Yep, that is precise what is happening here. Now the main and price winning question will be, what is FB going to do about this, and how are they planning to compensate this fault. In the beginning i already wrote that a IONIC model 2 will come out, solving this issue. That is what i think will happen. Leaving me with a 350 € health tracker... Not a smart watch.
02-13-2018 01:58
02-13-2018 01:58
Totally agree with you. I have reverted back to my Charge HR and now just have this fitness tracker. So dissapointed with my Ionic Smart Watch as I wanted the training and swimming apps. Liked the watch too. But don't need 2 fitness trackers so returned my Ionic and got a refund. Will keep an eye on the forum and hopefully the FB team will iron out the bugs and if so I may buy another Ionic in the future. Signing off the forum now but hope that you guys who are persevering with the Ionic get sorted and it becomes the smart watch we all believed it would be. Come on FB Ionic get your finger out and sort it. KennyT signing off.