09-03-2020
20:33
- last edited on
07-31-2021
11:47
by
AndreaFitbit
09-03-2020
20:33
- last edited on
07-31-2021
11:47
by
AndreaFitbit
My Versa 2 just updated and the heart rate zones are all wrong. Before the update it was 94 fat burn, 132 cardio, and 160 peak. Now it is 113 fat burn, 138 cardio, and 170 peak. How can I get my old heart rate zones back?
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09-05-2020 12:38
09-05-2020 12:38
09-05-2020 12:44
09-05-2020 12:44
@N8teGee -
I enlarged the image so it is easier to see the zone definitions in the exercise record.
Allowing for a change in my resting heart rate from 63 to 65 in the past few days, changing my zones from 86/97/111 to 87/98/111 (should be 112 if rounding, apparently FitBit uses integer values here) my exercise record for my second treadmill session today shows they are being used, and my device was showing the proper text values under the heart rate during the session.
The AZM totals don't foot exactly, but I am not going to complain. It seems that the AZM numbers are for "each device clock minute" while the minutes in each zone are for the "exercise minutes". It looks like the only way to ensure they foot is to start the exercise at the top of the device's minute (which is not always the same as your mobile's clock - my Versa 2 is regularly about 3 - 7 seconds slower than my phone). I was watching the AZM value on the device update three seconds after my phone changed the time on it's display and the exercise's elapsed time was 23 seconds into the individual minute.
Also, another contributor to the difference could be that I took a three minute pause to check in an Amazon delivery and the time in zones total 48 for a 45 minute treadmill session. Another quirk, that I believe has been mentioned in another thread where a guy pauses "walks" for over two hours!
Sorry for the long discussion - that's the "geek" in me coming through.
09-05-2020 12:46
09-05-2020 12:46
My resting heart rate is 62-65 and I am 31 almost 32 years old.
09-05-2020 13:15
09-05-2020 13:15
With your age given earlier and a stated resting heart rate of 65 you gave in your most recent post and using the image from earlier post, the zones you show in the image tell me you changed your Max Heart Rate to 150.
Under the old method you stated you had zones of 94 fat burn, 132 cardio, 160 peak.
There is just no clean way to come close to your old numbers for all zones under the Heart Rate Reserve formula. But I can show you the effects of changing your Max Heart Rate to different values.
The first data row is the old method. The last data row is the new method without overriding Max HR. The other values are for overriding Max HR with 130, 140, 150, 160. 170 and 180. All zone values are rounded to the nearest whole number, while FitBit will just convert a fractional number to its integer equivalent.
Good luck and best wishes.
09-05-2020 13:22
09-05-2020 13:22
Thank you! I guess I will just keep it the max heart rate at 150. I hope that they change this new calculation because I think the way they are doing now it is not accurate and I think the old method was better.
09-05-2020 19:46 - edited 09-05-2020 19:54
09-05-2020 19:46 - edited 09-05-2020 19:54
My testing was very simple. My cardio went from 113 to the original 104 that I was used to. Then I started doing some hard walking. Using the iphone fitbit app on the today window, I looked at the bpm box. When I got 90 the display started reading fat burning zone and when I got to 104, it turned blue and indicated Cardio Zone. Did not get to 122 which is Peak zone. But when I mowed the lawn today, I got to peak zone. I do not use the exercise functionality. What I saw agreed with heart rate zone displayed in account\heart health.
09-06-2020 02:37
09-06-2020 02:37
I have the same issue after the update. I really do not like the new way of calculation. My fat burn territory used to be 90-125. Now I need to pump my HR up to 114 to be in Fat burn zone. It's too hard to achieve for some abs workout where I used to be in fat burn zone 80% of the time. Looking at the active calories make me abit sad after workouts these days.
09-06-2020 09:20
09-06-2020 09:20
Thank you for all the information everyone!
My issue isn't just within the zones.
My largest complaint is in the accuracy of any heart rate calculations.
09-06-2020 09:21
09-06-2020 09:21
Accidentally hit post... 🤦:male_sign:
When I run, I do interval training. In this I constantly hit my peak zone (180 BPM). And when just running I was in the 130-160 range.
With the latest firmware. I can't get my heart rate measured above 140 BPM.
When I check my heart manually, the rate is now DRASTICALLY off.
09-06-2020 11:49
09-06-2020 11:49
@FDH4 -
There is a thread referencing the latest Versa Firmware update. You may want to share your experience there:
Good luck.
09-06-2020 12:27
09-06-2020 12:27
I have the same issue taking a beta blocker. After a 9 mile bike ride...half up it up hill...showed no minutes of fat burn or cardio. What a joke.
09-07-2020 05:50
09-07-2020 05:50
Yea...totally! The heart rate calculation is so off now! My HR doing burpees is less than some legs workout I did. When I finished my burpees, it was 137 then suddenly shoot to 144 and dropped very fast to below zone.
09-08-2020 10:32
09-08-2020 10:32
I’m 62 my heart rate resting is normally 56 - 62 I’ve got to practically double that to get to fat burn 99-118 and 119-142 to get cardio I’m going to end up having a heart attack if I adhere to fitbits ideas of heart rates they haven’t taken my lower resting rate into account at all. I have not mentioned peak as that’s dangerous.
Shirley
09-08-2020 11:05
09-08-2020 11:05
@Ssay13 -
Are you taking Beta Blockers? If so, talk to the doctor that prescribed them.
Beta Blockers throttle down your heart rate even during exercise. This was just confirmed with my Cardiologist September 3rd during my semi-annual office visit after I asked him about what I read in the Harvard Medical School Harvard Health Letter from November of last year. In that article it was stated that individuals taking Beta Blockers should reduce their Max Heart Rate by 20%. He was happy to see me hitting high 90s and low 100s in my treadmill sessions, saying that was the best range for me and to not go above 110 for any length of time.
In the chart below are three data rows showing Heart Rate Zone cutoffs:
Traditional formula which are straight fixed percentages (50, 70 and 85%) of your Max Heart Rate which is defined as subtracting your age from 220. For me, as a 68 year old male, my Max Heart Rate is 152.
Heart Rate Reserve. Subtracting your resting heart rate from your traditional max heart rate results in that reserve.
40% of the reserve is added to your resting heart rate to establish the beginning of the Fat Burn Zone.
60% of the reserve is added to your resting heart rate to establish the beginning of the Cardio Zone.
85% of the reserve is added to your resting heart rate to establish the beginning of the Peak Zone.
Remember earlier when I mentioned my Cardiologist telling me not to go above 110 for any length of time? That is the start of my peak zone under the modified Max HR calculations. No wonder I was gasping for air when I trying to hit Cardio (116) using the Heart Rate Reserve zones - I was already in Peak.
Be advised that if you decide to change your Max HR value, it current cannot be done in the mobile app (at least not in the iOS mobile app). You need to change it in the Settings page in the Web Dashboard, save the change and sync your device. Of about a dozen people that have tried that when I recommended it, only one individual could not get it to take. Once person had to log out of the app and back in for it to take.
Good luck and welcome to the boards.
09-08-2020 12:46
09-08-2020 12:46
Thank you for your help I’m not on beta blockers my heart rate is normal for me I have seen a cardiologist and he can’t find anything wrong so I’m not worried about it. I’ll try changing the rates in settings as you suggested.
09-08-2020 15:35
09-08-2020 15:35
09-08-2020 15:37
09-08-2020 15:37
09-16-2020 12:38
09-16-2020 12:38
Thank you for this! I couldn’t get it to change in the IOS app. I am not on beta blockers and others who are not will probably need to adjust their MHR a bit less then the 20%. I am 58 and 70% - 80% of my MHR should be 113-129. I haven’t even come close to hitting my minutes since this change. I lowered my max heart rate by 14% to 140 and now my cardio range shows 112-129, so spot on.
09-20-2020 17:48
09-20-2020 17:48
I didn't think you could change it back. However, when I work out I also wear a polar beat heart rate monitor as well. So for an example I rode my bike for about 23 miles and my Fitbit only gave me 11 zones minutes and said I only average 93 heart rate. But my polar one said I average 148 heart rate which would put me in the zone 2. I believe my polar beat one more than my Fitbit Versea since I wear it right where my heart is as opposed to on my wrist. Also, I had another issue with the zone minutes as well. I don't always do cardio and do weight training as well. Since weight training doesn't raise your heart rate how does that count towards zone minutes or is it just counting your cardio.
09-20-2020 18:16
09-20-2020 18:16