@shipo wrote:
Even for beginners I consider them silly (or worse). There are numerous studies which show literally all of the formulas for heart rate max and heart rate zones are a poor predictor of how to train. I won't belabor that point any longer; if you like them, use them.
As for those I coach and what I teach when coaching; for beginning runners, the only rule of thumb is to pay attention to their breathing:
- If running brings you to the point where you're having a hard time catching your breath and are in immeninent danger of collapsing; you're running way too fast.
- If running at a barely sustainable level for say a half hour, you're training at a tempo or race pace; this type of workout should only rarely be employed, and even then, only as a preparation for a race.
- If runing at a pace where you can maintain a conversation in short sentences, then you're running at the right pace.
See, no heart rate zone voodoo involved; nice and simple.
So you are saying that the CDC, AHA, and WHO are all voodoo?
The way the US Military trains in fitness is voodoo?
I was a fitness instructror in the Army back in my younger years, and they taught us how to train using the HR zones. If you keep your heart rate between 60 and 85 percent of your MHR for at least 20 minutes you will get a minimum training effect, and 85 to 100 percent was ok for short periods of time but not prolonged periods (if you are at a high fitness level), and you should avoid the peak zone until you get to a high fitness level.
I dont care how a person is breathing as different people breath differently. The heart rate is the determining factor in training effect.
Sorry if I'm wrong, but I think you claimed in another thread a while back that you consume 1 to 2 thousand calories more than you burn and still loses weight, and that the whole dieting system laid out by the CDC, AHA, and WHO are voodoo too.
In this thread I think you mention that you train 10 to 20 BPM above your MHR.
Did you ever see the youtube vidio (sure you could find it if you did a search) of a cardia surgean that started finding the same heart issues in people who over trained as he was in obese people who had heart issues due to their weight and poor diet?
Maybe that's voodoo too.
Maybe you are a high enough level atholite that conventional methods don't work for you any more, but the majority of the people on these forums are just regular people trying to just lose weight and get to a decent fitness level.
I just hope hou realize that someone could take your advice and cause injury to their heart. Or worse. You are free to believe anything you like, but standard systems that have been around since forever work pretty well for the majority of the population, and you seem to be giving pretty extream advice to people who may not know better and could possably injure themselves taking your advice.
