07-27-2016 08:11
07-27-2016 08:11
Let me give the background here and then what I am looking to get advice for.
I just turned 50 last May. In February of this year I bought a fitbit and quit smoking. Two and a half years ago I had a 95% blockage in my heart and a stint was inserted. When I started on my scale at home I weight about 244 lbs. I also have an office job where I work from home so I do sit at a computer most of the day but have flexiblility to walk when I want. In addition to my Charge HR I also have this wonderful app called walkmeter, which tracks my pace and distance via GPS and I can set custom routes and compete against myself.
In February I started walking around the block which door to door was 2 miles (1.97). At first about a half mile in I was feeling terrible burning in my shins (Shin Splints). Through the help of some fitbit friends I slowed my pace and did some stretching before. In about 3 months of walking those 2 miles 5 days a week (Mon through Friday). The shin splints went away and I dropped to 233 lbs. So I continued to walk that same two mile route for another 3 months or so but started doing it faster and got my avg pace down from 20 min a mile down to about 16.5 min per mile. In June I upped my walk and changed my route to 4 miles at 10 AM and that was taking me about an hour an a half. I also completed a 3 week cardio workout program called EA Sports active on my PS3. Now I am starting to work on a 5K in 10 week plan that is on my Walkmeter app. I have completed the first week of 30 min workouts every other day (total of 3) where I warmup 5 min walk, run 1 min, walk 1.5 min (8 times) then 5 day cool down. Now while the workouts are making me a little breathless and they are somewhat tough I feel they are fine for my activity level and current fitness. The last couple of days my weight which had plateued at 233 for awhile hit 230 in my morning weigh ins (Yes I weigh myself everyday I just can't help it) I weigh myself after my 1 cup of coffee in the morning before my shower.
Also my body type is an Apple I have a huge belly, skinny arms and now legs. I did cut out Soda from my diet too, and drink a lot of water.
Now that you have plowed through all that here are the questions I have.
1) The off days, what should I be doing I find that I still want to walk now that I am in the habit, but I don't want to overtrain and risk injury. I am really into the routine now of walking during the week, and then on Saturday I mess around, then Sunday my kids and I go to the boardwalk. I can cycle, walk, or do a resistance workout with my EA active. (I am not joining a Gym, I cant afford it)
2) To start my running program and make my goal of first sustained running for 5K then Sustained running for 10K (I don't care about speed, just distance) should I calorie load to build muscle or stay with a calorie deficit to burn fat.
3) What other tips do you all have to get an out of shape fat man in shape and healthier?
Finally just to end on a high note according to my charge my resting heart rate was 83 when I started in February is no a pretty steady 66-67. My trigliceride count continues to come down as well as my HDL continues to rise.
Thanks for reading and in advance for any advice you all might have.
Steve
07-27-2016 09:45
07-27-2016 09:45
Hi Steve, Keep doing it, never stop. Just stay active on your recovery day. I was a very sick man a few years ago. Basicly the doc said I was a walking time bomb that could go any minute. I changed to a plant based diet and turned my world around. I am not going to jump up on a soap box but I am going to give you some links to do your own research.
http://www.nomeatathlete.com/...this guy has programs to get you started on your running
nutritionfacts.org..Dr. Greger saw his grand ma sent home to die with heart disease at 65. She went plant based with Nathan Pritikin and reversed hear disease and live into her 90's.
http://www.forksoverknives.com/..watch this movie. It spells it out and the website has lots of tasty recipes.
http://www.drjoelkahn.com/2014/heart-disease-reversal-diet/
http://www.dresselstyn.com/site/success-stories/
There is all kinds of research out there that supports a plant based diet can reverse many lifestyle diseases. .
I eat tons of food everyday. No restrictions as long as its plant based with no oil and no processed carbs. Yeah, in the beginning it was tough getting the tastebuds reprogramed. But now I can barely stand to eat anything else. Keep your foods very simple.
Good luck man
07-27-2016 10:53 - edited 07-27-2016 10:54
07-27-2016 10:53 - edited 07-27-2016 10:54
Hey Steve,
As of the end of March 2013 I had been working two nearly full time consulting gigs (6:00-13:00 in Boston and 14:30-20:30 up in Concord, NH, 75 miles or so north of Boston) for a period of over two years. In April I left the Boston gig and signed up to go full time in Concord; that left me with some spare time. I am 5' 8" in height and by that April I was tipping the scales at something over 250 (don't know how far over, I was too afraid to get in the freakin' scale), and I decided to use some of that newly acquired spare time to start running and to lose weight.
I took it real easy at first, and instead of concentrating on speed, I concentrated on distance, distance, and more distance, always very slow, and almost always on a dirt trail. I became a disciple of LSD (Long Slow Distance), so much so I joined the running club of my new company as well as a local club, and started coaching part time as well. Over the last 3+ years I have helped coach many dozens of folks over the C25K hump you yourself are now attempting.
The cool thing about LSD is you develop a pretty fair amount of speed whether you want to or not. In my case, in a period of almost exactly one year I went from being very overweight and very-very slow when I left the Boston gig, down to about 190 along with being able to run 5Ks in the 21 to 22 minute range, and later in 2014 a half-marathon in 1:42, and those numbers were when I was 57.
If you've read this far, read the following as these points are key to success for most folks who attempt the C25K program:
This is a before and after picture, one is from mid May 2013, and the other is from the first week of May 2014 when I ran my first sub-22:00 5K (I'll leave it to your imagnination to figure out which is which) 🙂 :
07-27-2016 10:57
07-27-2016 11:10
07-27-2016 11:10
Steve,
Kudos for the work you've done thus far.
I find myself reluctant to advise, since I'm not certified in anything except "bro-science" - which means, my knowledge is generally things I've learned from podcasts and the internet from people who should, but may not really know what they're talking about.
Your body is the sum total of what you've eaten and the environment you've lived and worked in. You've got a gut, presumably because prior to the heart problems, your portions at meal time (and/or snack time) were too large, and your stomach subsequently stretched out a bit, as well as collecting adipose tissue throughout your abdomen area.
The good news is that you can still walk on your "recovery days". Even when you think you're spent and done, you could still push yourself some more. The body is resilient. BUT - since I'm not a cardiologist, I'm reluctant to tell you to push yourself.
My best advise is to ensure that while you're on a calorie restriction diet is that you get enough protein.
About 70-80 grams a day - but no more than 30 grams per feeding. Any more than that, it would likely get stored as fat and possibly cause "protein oxidation". Techically, copied from the 'net:
Protein oxidation is defined as the covalent modification of a protein induced either by the direct reactions with reactive oxygen species (ROS) or indirect reactions with secondary by-products of oxidative stress.
What this means is that when you eat too much protein for your body to handle, a chemical process takes place in our bodies and damages the protein quality, and can even create certain pathogens under the right (but somewhat unlikely) circumstances. In short, it's just something to avoid. I'm not saying it will kill you, but too much of anything is not good. And, for your weight, if my math is correct, about 80 grams of protein is going to be a good daily amount.
So - what else can you do?
I really recommend weight lifting. Nothing heavy - just a lot of reps. Maybe 10 sets of 10. Not the first day! Work up to it, starting with 3 sets of 10 for a week, then 5 sets of 10, and then 8 sets of 10 and then finally 10 sets of 10.
I wouldn't do any leg exercises, or walking will be awkward. At least, not at first. Maybe lose a little more before you push your legs.
Any upper body lifts should be fine. Maybe start with a Bill Phillips routine.
5 sets of 10 - Over head press (with dumbbells)
Lateral raises.
Skull Busters
Lateral Pulls
Bicep Curls
If you don't have weights- just do push ups and sit ups - starting with 20 each. If you can't do 20 at one setting - stop, rest 30 seconds and keep trying. Even if it's one at a time and it takes you forever. Just keep pushing until you've done at least 20.
If 20 is easy, do 30. If 30 is easy, do 40.
Etc.
Same with sit-ups.
After a couple of weeks - do 50 pull-ups, if you can find a place. Now, you'll be lucky to get one.
Just try and do that one for 5 seconds. If you can't get it - keep trying for 5 seconds. Let go of the bar and try again. Repeat until you've tried 50 times.
Since you're older, only do this on Monday and Friday.
Wednesday, you can relax.
Those are the kinds of things I would try to do if I were you, and if my cardiologist approved.
I repeat - I'm not a doctor. These are only things I recommend if your doctor says it's okay.
07-27-2016 12:39
07-27-2016 12:39
1) The off days, what should I be doing I find that I still want to walk now that I am in the habit, but I don't want to overtrain and risk injury. I am really into the routine now of walking during the week, and then on Saturday I mess around, then Sunday my kids and I go to the boardwalk. I can cycle, walk, or do a resistance workout with my EA active. (I am not joining a Gym, I cant afford it)
I walk 4-6 miles a day, almost every day. I take maybe 2 days off a month. Sometimes less. My body is used to the daily exercise now, and I get antsy when I don't get it. As for inuries, if you are only walking, you should be able to walk everyday, BUT 16:30 is the point where walking can get dangerous. I usually do a couple days of all out walking. A couple days of fast walking, a rest is slow to medium. Fast for me is then 14:00 range. Medium is around 15-16. And slow/medium for me is 16-18 minute miles. I'm 49, and I'm down to 206 lbs. So shoes, great socks, and proper form for power walking, are now required to avoid injuries.
2) To start my running program and make my goal of first sustained running for 5K then Sustained running for 10K (I don't care about speed, just distance) should I calorie load to build muscle or stay with a calorie deficit to burn fat.
If you are trying to lose weight, no need to eat more just because you run. But keep in mind at our age, our joints they sometimes can take running. Sometimes they can, it really depends on what you did when you were younger. I've time I tried to start running I got knee injuries, or issues with my shins. And I was running slower than I can walk! So be careful!
3) What other tips do you all have to get an out of shape fat man in shape and healthier?
For me it was just diet changes, portion control, and lots of exercise. Lots and lots of miles walked. I've already killed two pairs of shoes. About to kill two more pair. I power walk 4-6 miles a day, which has been plenty to get me to lose 75 lbs.
Finally just to end on a high note according to my charge my resting heart rate was 83 when I started in February is no a pretty steady 66-67. My trigliceride count continues to come down as well as my HDL continues to rise.
Yes, the more you push your heart, the better your resting rate will be. Next month is my physical, one year after last years, when I got the news I had to change my ways. I can't wait to see the lap work results!
07-27-2016 13:00
07-27-2016 13:00
"BUT 16:30 is the point where walking can get dangerous. "
JohnRi, can you elaborate on this point? I might learn something.
07-27-2016 13:25
07-27-2016 13:25
Thanks for all the advice and encouragement. Let me give you a little more background. I had a stress test done about 6 months ago at the 2 year point from my stint. Everything was normal and my Cardiologist has cleared me for aerobic and cardio exercise. He and my GP doc both warned me about Joints and knee pain. They both think biking would be better but I could run if I want. I prefer Running or Walking cause I like to space out a little when exercising and meditate / think.
I am glad to hear that walking is okay on the offdays as I do get antsy if I can't get out. Today I went to the park for lunch and was just going to walk 4 laps but ended up walking 3.2 miles. I walked casually no hurry and my avg pace was about 19:30 and I finished the walk in 1 hr 4 min. So I am going to take that as my baseline casual 5K mark.
Like I said I have no intention to try and go "Fast" just go long. I definitley love the idea that you guys think after about a year I should be able to run for an hour sustained, thats pretty cool!
As for surface one of the things I read (And I read a lot of runners world and other internet sources articles and beginning to run) was that pavement can be harsh especially if you don't have good shoes. The park I go to has a Dirt / Clay track that goes around it and I measured it at .47 miles so its about a half mile a loop. This is where I go to do the specific C25K workouts. The other walking I do is at a Creek trail close by but to get to it I have to walk sidewalk, go over a freeway pedestrian bridge then I hit dirt, but the actual trail is asphalt. I doubt I will "Run" there but more distance walk there.
I felt good after my walk today and I will likely get the rest of my steps tongiht at my daughters Karate class as I like to walk around the shopping center instead of just sit. Again casual no rush no pain pace.
I feel very encouraged that I can do this and lose the weight. I am trying to watch my diet as much as possible but its hard when both my kids and my wife are tiny and can eat that junk all day long and not get fat. I have been eating homemade salads in Mason Jars for lunch for the past month and they do a pretty good job filling me up. Its the evening time that I get into trouble.
Anyways I will keep you guys posted as I go and see where we wind up. I am encouraged to say the least by all your support and any of you can feel free to add me to your fitbit friends if you want.
Steve
07-27-2016 13:30
07-27-2016 13:30
Ukase,
I have a program on my Playstation that uses resistance bands (I have 4 2 easy, 1 medium, and 1 hard) that I can do strength workouts on. I will have to set some up for upper body!
Thanks for the tips!
07-27-2016 14:18
07-27-2016 14:18
Well the faster you walk you have to watch your form. Power walk tips are you need to land on your heal, rotate to the middle of your and then spring off the front.
I've noticed mostly annoying injuries walking faster than 17:00 minutes. Runner's toe is very annoying. For me the toe next to the big toe can curl enough so that the nail hits the bottom of my shoe on the "spring" part of the step. I'm trying to curl my toes, and GRIP the ground. The problem after about 12,000 steps of doing this, the nail is dead, and blister has formed under the dead nail. By the time I feel the pain, it's too late. I've done this to both toes twice. Seemed like new shoes was also a issue with this. I got these awesome shoes and I was able to walk about a full minute faster... BUT lost the nails. By the time they grow back, I'll probably be in new shoes again...
Blisters can be an issue too. If your shoes are not TIGHT, and unable to shift, you'll get blisters walking fast.
Runners knee. I had this once. Other minor knee issues, pulled tendons/ligaments.
I ripped 4 of the nine calf muscles, and was down for 3 weeks...
Walking FAST is fun, my heart rate gets up there. But it a lot easier to get hurt than say a 18:00 minute pace.
07-28-2016 06:45 - edited 07-28-2016 06:46
07-28-2016 06:45 - edited 07-28-2016 06:46
@JohnRi, I've always been a bit leery of walking much faster than say 17:00 per mile as my gut tells me there is a point where it is safer for the body to start trotting/jogging. What you're describing seems to support my fears. 🙂
07-28-2016 07:42
07-28-2016 07:42
@shipo wrote:@JohnRi, I've always been a bit leery of walking much faster than say 17:00 per mile as my gut tells me there is a point where it is safer for the body to start trotting/jogging. What you're describing seems to support my fears. 🙂
Every time I've tried running or jogging, I've pick up injuries almost immediately. Issues with my ankles, knees, shins. Last time I ran for about 3 weeks, only a few minutes a day, I was slowly building up a few seconds more a week. Always at the middle of my walk, when my body was warmed up 100%. I was up to about 5 minutes, and even then that 30 seconds run, 30 seconds walk, 30 second run... I completely screwed up my right knee when my foot hit the ground. I felt a sharp pain, and could barely put any weight on my leg. I had to limp back to the car, about a mile, and was unable to exercise for 2-3 weeks. That was enough for me.
Running surface might also be the issue. All of the places I can run during the week, are all concrete or asphalt. Which are worse surfaces for running. I do walk at a park with a clay track, but it's impossible for me to get there during the work week, only weekends. So when I do try it again, I'll try there.
I was 30 lbs heavier then. So I'll probably try again once I get down under 190. Hopefully the issue was my weight was just too much for my frame. But I may never be able to run. I used to play racquetball like a mad man. 3-4 hours, at least 3-5 times a week. Lot's of fast stops, starts, twists, jumps... It kept my in good shape, but a back injury at 24 took the game away from me. And my weight went up from there. I think 30+ years of putting so much strain on my joints, may have done me in for running. But will see... I haven't given up, but I'm not betting on it happening either.