EMF Hypersensitivity

[Corney]

"Electromagnetic hypersensitivity is an alleged condition in which people believe that many common health problems are caused by exposure to electromagnetic fields.  The symptoms which may vary considerably from person to person, includes; headaches; fatigue; anxiety; sleep disturbances; palpitations; irregular heart beats; shortness of breath; skin symptoms such as prickling, burning, and rashes; muscle aches and pains and many other ailments.  The alleged sources include power lines, cell phone towers, wifi networks, fluorescent lights, microwaves,mobile phones, chargers, and other electronic devices.  People who claim to be electromagnetically sensitive can cause great emotional and economic harm to their communities."  By Stephen Barrett M.D.  

Electromagnetic hypersensitivity is not recognized by the scientific medical community as a disease.  The World Health Organization has concluded that although the purported symptoms are real there is no scientific evidence of a casual link with EMF exposure.

Both Sweden and the Netherlands have reached similar conclusions.

[suekennedy]

OK, so I know you're definitely a shill!  Dr Andrew Wakefield who was the first Doctor to realise there was a correlation between vaccines and autism, was exonerated of wrong doing by an English court of law, so you need to learn how to research you asinine amoeba.  I won't engage with cretins, or shills.

[nasacpa]

Wakefield's study was faked.  He lost his license due to the damage that it caused.

But go ahead and believe folks like him and Dr. Jenny McCarthy.  Somehow, they've managed to escape Big Pharma's clutches.

[nasacpa]

Do YOU know what a yanked license and a retraction by the publication means?  Did he get his license reinstated after that lawsuit?  Nope.  Did The Lancet agree that the study was valid?  Nope.  

Hey, if you want to be willfully ignorant, there's no law against it.

[WavyDavey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTEmqJkCrDQ

[nasacpa]

@WavyDavey   LOL.....

[nasacpa]

Per Sue, above:  "There's no point in trying to change some one else's mind if they have a fixed opinion.  My mind is constantly being changed because the more information I have, the more I am persuaded.  I am always open to changing my opinions when the pertinent and believable scientific information is presented."

Here's some info that I'm sure you'll discredit, since you have a fixed opinion.

https://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-summary.htm

[checking]

 I've heard that people who need to call others names as part of a discussion (e.g., shill, cretin, idiot, asinine amoeba) are incapable of completing a coherent  intellectual argument and are simply projecting what they know to be true about themselves.

[Corney]

Bill_k: How can you see that EMF"s, magnetic fields WOULD affect brain
activity POSSIBLY??? as well since medical research has debunked it in
America,Sweden and the Netherlands. The Netherlands study subjected
individuals, that said they were EMF hypersensitive, to real and fake EMF
sources. They were unable to distinguish between the sources. For once in
your life believe medical science and not individuals obsessed with EMF's.
Yes, you can not be in a room with a MRI with any metal, but does it cause
brain damage?

[Bill_k]

I worked for a power company and even they admitted that EMF had been researched and it had effects on people. Nobody could prove why but it just was that way.

I never said it caused brain damage but i am open to the existence some effects because of it.

To be honest i trust my own mildly educated  logical thought process these days as much or more than the thousands of conflicting scientific  reports coming out that may be influenced by special interests and activism.

[Corney]

Bill_k: This is getting tiresome. What effects on people did the power
company state were caused by EMF exposure? But the research found no
proof,so it just was that way, very convincing!
So your mildly educated logical thought process is more reliable that
research from the World Health Organization, researchers from Sweden, The
Netherlands and USA because they May Be influenced by what special
interests groups???
The National Institute of Health list EMF's into 2 groups. Non-ionizing
which is harmless to humans and Ionizing which has the potential for
cellular and DNA damage.
Non-Ionizing include: Microwave Ovens, Computers, House energy, Wireless
networks, Cell phones, Blue tooth Power lines and MRI's.
Ionizing source include Sunlight, X-rays and some Gamma rays.
Name a few special interests that are PRO EMF's.
I think you have reached the point of no return with your obsession to
EMF's. Good Luck!!

[nasacpa]

@Corney "I think you have reached the point of no return with your obsession to
EMF's."

Just out of curiosity, how many EMF threads has Bill K started/commented in, compared to say.....you?

[Cold_Dog]

"Show me the studies that endorse the safety and efficacy of vaccines, and I will show you a unicorn.  You are deluded my friend.  There are no studies, and no evidence the vaccines are efficacious."  

One word --- Smallpox.  The number one killer of human from the beginning of human time.    I don't know how old you are but I was alive when Smallpox was still killing folk.   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_smallpox

"During the 20th century, it is estimated that smallpox was responsible for 300–500 million deaths"

You can chose to believe anything you what but germs and virus  could care less about your belief system.  

[Bill_k]

I haven't really thought about EMF for a long time but the new idea that the  5G cell phones or cellphones in general might cause some sort of blindness,zombification or the outright demise of cell phone using humans gives me hope that since i don't use a cell phone myself  i might someday be King of the World. 

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

[nasacpa]

@Cold_Dog Good point.  I guess polio's just been taking a long vacation, too.

[Corney]

Cold_Dog: You responded to a post on EMF Hypersensitivity with a rant about vaccines.  FYI the World Health Organization has determined small Pox has been eradicated world wide.  Polio was eradicated in the USA in 1979.

Point 2.  I am not obsessed with EMF's or EMF hypersensitivity.  I am obsessed with truth.  Over the last 3 years truth has been dying and in some circles truth is DEAD!  In these circles truth is called "fake news" and is replaced by something called "alternative facts" which is a non sequitur.  Concerning EMF hypersensitivity I chose to believe highly educated researchers from the WHO and NIH as well as researchers from the USA, Sweden and the Netherlands rather a person who has a mildly educated logical thought process with no proof.  The choice of who to believe is up to each individual.

Good luck, ta ta

[nasacpa]

I don't think "rant" means what you think it does.

[Corney]

nasacpa:  I am not obsessed with EMF's or EMF hypersensitivity.  I'm obsessed with truth.  Over the past three years truth has been dying in America and in some circles truth is DEAD!  In those circles truth is called "fake news" and is replaced by something called "Alternative facts" which is a non sequitur.  Concerning EMF hypersensitivity I chose to believe highly educated researchers from the WHO and NIH as well as researchers from the USA, Sweden and the Netherlands rather than a person with a "mildly educated logical thought process" with no proof.  The choice of who to believe is up to each individual. 

[nasacpa]

See, that's what I'd call a rant.

And it still doesn't answer my question to you, above.

[checking]

@Corney  that was not @Cold_Dog's rant. He was quoting @suekennedy's rant and he gives Smallpox (Polio also) as the best known refutation of that rant. You obviously have lots of information stored away, perhaps it is time to have cognitive functions checked.

[Bill_k]

Thankfully i'm old and have life experience,google  and common sense so i can weed out some of the b.s being spouted as 'expert' knowledge these days. I feel for young people who don't and are barraged with fearmongering from special interest groups and others with agendas and might believe everything..

A few months ago some experts talked the government of california into telling coffee shops they had to put signs up saying their product caused cancer.

Later it was squashed as more experts  showed up to contradict the first experts.

Then the government tells us that 2 glasses of wine a day is 'excessive' drinking but more experts tell us a couple glasses a day is good for our health.

In Canada experts in climate change and government tell us that freezing in the dark will stop global warming but fact is we produce only 1.6% of global emissions so the big sacrifice means nothing.

It's all just a scam to get us to pay carbon tax.

Things like this jade peoples' beliefs in experts.