warning this is a very long post, got a lot to get off my chest, but last post in this thread and others like this, as it is getting boring, the arguement is always the same, and by the same people
my steps as well as other details have always been open to all, I have nothing to hide
Why is it unfair?
Not to mention most of my steps are now from a adjustable magnetic resistance exercise bike, Kettler Axos P
so if steps from an exercise bike is classed as a step, what is the difference from jogging on the spot?
Which I suspect you are going to say they are not steps, you should try one, however I am much more tired and legs ache a hell of a lot more after 30 mins on that than 30 mins jogging
A step is a step, what you are saying then is that the steps done by someone walking downhill are not steps because it is easier to walk downhill than level/uphill
what about those that are disabled, by your reckoning, because a normal person can jog/run and the disabled person can only walk with say crutches, then they can call them cheaters, or say that their steps are not legit because it is easier for them
What has how the step is done got to do with anything?
As for the challenge, I can not jog/run for long distances or time, I have said that before, due to my epilepsy, so to compare me joggingwalking it and you running it is like comparing apples to oranges
As for me running quite quick, why? What has me jogging 40k steps throughout the whole day got to do with running speed
You do know what average means don't you? Just because the average is x speed, that does not mean everyone walk/jog/runs at that speed
Besides, that average pace, how was it done?, where was it done? The only way to get the true average is to measure the pace of everyone in the world, otherwise it is not a true/real average.
Just because we are roughly the same height/weight, does not mean we have the same stride length, you can bring in averages all you want, it doesn't mean we 'will' have the same stride length
If what you say is true, then what is the point in races? All they have to do is check their weight/height etc and then announce who is the winner
You say that my average daily step total is around 20k more than yours, and? My 40k is done throughout the whole day, what about your 20k, I suspect if you spent most of the day running you could easily do more than 40k, but do not/can not due to having other things to do
Let me tell you something about me
About 6 years ago I was rushed into hospital and was put straight into ICU whilst they tried to figure out what was wrong, at that time my family was told to expect the worse, obviously I pulled through, but I ended up with epilepsy, at first it was so severe I would have over 2 dozen seizures a day, so for me to run 5k in 1 go would pretty much put me back into hospital, how bad is my epilepsy? I see a UK epilepsy specialist once every 3 months, otherwise I see one of his nurses, I take a load of medication everyday, no one, not my gp, not even other doctors are allowed to touch or change them
I still have the diaries that the doctors/nurses wrote/kept whilst I was there, writing things like what was happening in the world, news, weather etc
So why do you think I do 10 mins jogging and then 5 mins walking/resting? Because I can not do it all in 1 go, last time I tried 1 hour none stop, I ended up having a seizure, so that 5 min walking or break makes a lot of difference and for your information my jogging speed is around 2 steps per second, so for me to do 40k, it takes me over half the waking day, not a few hours
Now let's talk about the steps done, what has me doing 40k and you doing 20k got to do with anything
I have all day to do it, from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to bed, so just because you do not have the time to do 40k because you have to say work etc doesn't mean I am cheating, just that I have more spare time
Am I saying I can do 40k in the time you do 20k? No
I'm sorry, but to me, it seems like you are just being petty and want to create/cause an argument, why? Just because I am doing more steps than you, and I suspect you have people in your friends list that do more steps than you, do you say they are cheating? I am not even in the top 10 in my friends list, heck, the top 5 in my friends list do more than double/triple my steps
So, as for your challenge, accepted, but to make sure you do not say I cheated, the 40k steps is done over 12 hour period, come and watch me jog on the spot, walk around, but I suspect you will refuse making up an excuse, like you do not have the time, you have better things to do, you have a job etc, not to mention, going by your posts, I'm not sure I would want to spend nearly 12 hours with you
No point posting stats, as initially you said to post stats breaking down the jog pace, but then later said no point as it can be easily modified to look real
You say you write for a magazine, I presume you are retired, maybe have kids etc, so your time to run is limited, by family and work etc, but what do you know about me? Nothing, I am 39, medically retired due to the said illness and the severity of it, have no kids, I can not work or drive, epilepsy being one reason, but my memory is random, as is how I react to things, I tend to snap/lose my temper easily, suicidal thoughts being another, I have a nice long scar on my left wrist from when they were testing which medication that would work best
As mentioned many times, number of steps done does not mean number of miles done, just because 2 people are of the same height, does not mean their stride length is the same or even similar, and even if the stride length were the same/similar, it doesn't mean they have the same pace
My mum for example is the same height as me 5'9, yet walking to the local Tesco, I do it in far less steps than her, because my stride length is longer than hers, not to mention I have a faster pace than her as well
Now my nephew, I walk faster than him, but he jogs/runs much faster than me
Now this is my last post I promise, because this is getting boring, first you asked for breakdown of the run etc, then later said it is easy to make them look real, now you ask me to do a 5k jog/run and post the time, but even if I did, all you will do is contest it saying that I am lying
The only way is for you to be there so you can not contest it, but like I said, I am not doing it over a few hours but nearly the whole waking day and for you information I do not work so I have all day, everyday, 7 days a week, so if you want to watch, jog with me all day then fine
So to compare your 20k done over the time you have free throughout the day to my 40k over my whole free day is pointless
Did I mention that I am not doing 40k in a few hours, thus not race pace, 2 steps per second, 10 min jog, 5 min walk/break and so on, not continuously and I have other things to do but spreaded out throughout the day, so I am doing around 4k per waking hour
2 steps per second is not exactly fast, certainly not race pace, if athletes were to run at that pace, then they need to train more, school kids run at faster pace than that
am I jogging on the spot looking at the kitchen/living room wall? no, I watch the tv or something on the ipad
If you continued to do your 20k in the time I did my 40k, you will have done far more than 40k, at a guess 140k?
as for health, doing 40k over 10 hours and 4 hours is a big difference
So basically you are compared apples to oranges
What is difference from jogging on the spot to actual jogging? By saying what you are saying, people who use walking/running machines, steppers, at the gym etc are all cheating as they are not 'real' steps, or those that do it going down hill are cheating because going down hill is easier, would you or do you call those that do those steps using walkers etc cheating? I supsect not, because they are doing less than you
What about those who wear wrist fitbits? Why don't you call them liars? I recently played with one all day, just by cooking, cleaning and using the computer as well as walking/jogging on the spot, I hit over 80k, they could be sat still and all they have to do is wave their arms around, heck a cook could probably end up with quite a high number of steps despite being stood still most of the time
The reverse of this is, you could well be lazy, petty and just want to cause an argument and you get off on it, after all I am not the only one in this community that does 40k per day, heck a lot more do more than that, but I don't see you accusing of cheating, maybe it has something to do with me not being English, could it be that you are racist?
Your argument is always the same that you can not do that amount of steps, the average is lower than that etc, you always have some argument, like I said how did you get your average? Even if you took the data from fitbit owner in the UK, the result would not be right, which I know for a fact that you did not, so the result you got is not correct, only just for the data from the people you got it off
If I got the number of steps that the people living in the same street as me can do and then averaged it out and then said that was the average, that would be the average for the people living on that street not the town, country, world or the fitbit community/owners, so to get the Fitbit average, you would have to get the data from every fitbit owners, so your so called average is only for those people you took data from, I could for example use all the people in my Fitbit friends list and use that as an average, but all that average means is that it is the average for the people in my friends list not the everyone using a Fitbit.
I think the mods should close this thread as it it getting pointless now, all it is doing is creating arguments, which I might add is just the same arguments over and over again
Another thread was created a few years back, averaging 80k steps in one day, now if you argued that, I would agree, doing that daily is questionable, regardless of stride length, job etc, not impossible, but you would have to be extremely fit and either run for a living or have the whole day free with nothing to do
Anyway, this thread amongst others like this is getting boring, the argument is always the same, and when the thread maker or challenger is provided with data, they/you always find another excuse to challenge it
I think you people do it just to get off on it, it is always the same few people arguing the stats, if it was such an issue, why is it always just the same few people arguing/posting
only a few are bothered about it, the rest of the fitbit users on this forum are not bothered whether they come first or last, whether they win or lose, the challenge to them and for many others are just for fun, do I win every challenge I get invited to? Nope, in some I lose by a large margin, but do I/we who have lost moan and whinge and accuse those above us as cheating? Nope, only the few out of the whole community like yourself are bothered about it, yet you make it out like you are speaking for the whole community
Yes this is a long post, because 1 it is my last post on this matter, not just for this thread but others like it, 2 I had to get it off my chest because it was doing my nut in something rotten
for me, challenges are just for fun, I could quite happily not join any of them as of tomorrow, but then what would be the point of having Fitbit friends, and for your information, I am not in the top 15 of my friends list, so if you think jogging on the spot are not real steps, then what about those above me or those that average 50k plus steps, and if jogging on the spot was so easy, then how do the people above me are getting so high numbers
Since getting the Fitbit, my health has steadily been improving, all I care about is myself, my family and my health, I couldn't give the flying monkeys what other people think, I am hoping that my health will eventually improve to the point that I am to jog/run the London marathon one day and raise money for ESUK and other charities like them as they have been supportive and helpful in helping me and my family when I was first diagnosed with Epilepsy
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But, seriously, I agree that the discussion has become boring and ran out of new discussions/arguments a long time ago. But, those that keep it going will likely keep it going for some time to come. 
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