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Interesting Biggest Loser analysis

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Thoughts in no particular order:

  • For those of y'all who've had to wade through my various musings over the last few years, you know I am an advocate of exercise is greater than diet when it comes to weight loss and maintenance once the weight is lost.  Not surprisingly, many of my posts have generated more than a bit of controversy, or at least heated debate.
  • The results of the analysis on the Season 8 contestants shows the combination of a low caloric diet and a high output exercise regimen caused rapid weight loss, however, that came at the cost of a significant slowing of the individual's metabolism.
  • Once the contestants left the competition, their metabolisms did not rebound, even after six years.
  • Post competition, the estimates by the analytical team "estimated that contestants would need to engage in 80 minutes of moderate activity or 35 minutes of vigorous activity each day beyond what they were doing at baseline."  The article goes on to say, "This is far beyond the leading guidelines for physical activity..."
  • From my perspective, I think it would be interesting to study a group of obese individuals who eat a normal well rounded diet and use exercise as the main tool for weight loss.  My bet is they'll lose weight, albeit not as fast as the folks on the TV program, but the weight they lose will be far more maintainable due to the their ability to maintain a more normal metabolism.

Okay folks, I'm putting my fire retardant Nomex suit on now and ducking for cover; have at it with your comments.  🙂

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I have nothing useful to add other than @shipo @WavyDavey @Daves_Not_Here this is the perfect storm or trifecta or whatever you want to call humor, sarcasm and ornery opinions in one place. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for a fantastic read. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree- its just fantastic reading really.

Elena | Pennsylvania

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@WavyDavey -- there really does seem to be something special about weight training, maybe HIIT too, though I don't really do that.  I've stopped weight training at various points of my life due to injury -- usually followed by me getting heavier -- but once I get the weights back into the routine, even just 3 or 4 hours a weeks seem to make a huge difference in how much I can eat.  Though I suspect part of it is macros too.  Eating more protein while weight training gives the body the right fuel at the right time.  


I can say from personal experience, with my increase in weight training, my waist size dropped from a 44/43 to a 38 in the past 2-3 months.  Prior to that, I couldn't get it below 44. 

 

The other thing that I would suggest of any man of a certain age is to get a full blood panel done including T and Estrogen levels.  You can be doing all the right things, but your body may actually be working against you.  

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@Mukluk4 wrote:


@WavyDavey -- there really does seem to be something special about weight training, maybe HIIT too, though I don't really do that.  I've stopped weight training at various points of my life due to injury -- usually followed by me getting heavier -- but once I get the weights back into the routine, even just 3 or 4 hours a weeks seem to make a huge difference in how much I can eat.  Though I suspect part of it is macros too.  Eating more protein while weight training gives the body the right fuel at the right time.  


I can say from personal experience, with my increase in weight training, my waist size dropped from a 44/43 to a 38 in the past 2-3 months.  Prior to that, I couldn't get it below 44. 

 

The other thing that I would suggest of any man of a certain age is to get a full blood panel done including T and Estrogen levels.  You can be doing all the right things, but your body may actually be working against you.  


Interesting, what age would that be?  I'm in my 60s and haven't heard of that kind of blood test before.

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@shipo wrote:


Interesting, what age would that be?  I'm in my 60s and haven't heard of that kind of blood test before.


I'm 41 and had it done 3 weeks ago, mostly because my energy level over the past 6 months dipped significantly and all my normal tests were coming out fine (cholesterol, blood pressure, etc.).  I did some research and found a Low T clinic that had a certified staff that was actually backed by my insurance company and did the Free Testosterone, Total Testosterone, and Estrogen level testing.  

 

They found that while my FT was just fine, my TT was low while my Estrogen was high (basically my T was being converted to E).  So I started on a routine that's supposed to flip that script.  Over the past 3 weeks, I've found that my recovery time has been better, my energy level is much improved and I feel like I did prior to the last 6 months.

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Shipo:  I totally agree with you,  if their weight loss was due more from exercise rather than diet, especially strengthening, I would assume there wouldn't have been significant loss of muscle mass.  Metabolic rates are determined by the normal functioning of our organs maintaining homeostasis.  A lower metabolic rate could signal an increased ratio of fat to lean body mass (muscle), because fat is a very inactive tissue, thus burns fewer calories. Because metabolic rates did not return to normal even after 6 years, it would be extremely difficult to maintain their weight loss.  We both agree the best way to lose weight, I mean fat, is to eat smaller portion of healthy food and exercise, both aerobically and with strength training.

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@Mukluk4.  Nice!  That's a huge drop in 2-3 months.  Well done!

Scott | Baltimore MD

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@Mukluk4 wrote:

@shipo wrote:


Interesting, what age would that be?  I'm in my 60s and haven't heard of that kind of blood test before.


I'm 41 and had it done 3 weeks ago, mostly because my energy level over the past 6 months dipped significantly and all my normal tests were coming out fine (cholesterol, blood pressure, etc.).  I did some research and found a Low T clinic that had a certified staff that was actually backed by my insurance company and did the Free Testosterone, Total Testosterone, and Estrogen level testing.  

 

They found that while my FT was just fine, my TT was low while my Estrogen was high (basically my T was being converted to E).  So I started on a routine that's supposed to flip that script.  Over the past 3 weeks, I've found that my recovery time has been better, my energy level is much improved and I feel like I did prior to the last 6 months.


Thanks, I guess my doctor hasn't seen the need as I have good energy levels regardless of age, and if my age is factored in, well, I'm guessing my energy level is somewhat better than just "good".  🙂

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Are you not missing a major element @shipo?

your life style in general? Feeding, grooming horses and mucking out their stables is in general hard work. You'd burn a lot of calories just carrying out your normal day. Then you add exercise on top of it. 

 

Im likeminded to @Daves_Not_Here idea of three different categories of people. I'm definitely the third. I need to manage both diet and exercise. But as with you my job is very active so boosts my exercise stats a lot and constantly as I'm constantly moving. I literally prolly only sit for 2 to 3 hrs a day.

 

that being said I believe that drastically reducing ur calorie intake when losing can have lifelong unfavourable results. I'm lucky enough to employ a trainer to help me with my workouts and if there is one thing she is adamant about it's that I do not decrease my calories until it is absolutely necessary. She always makes I think clear that I am to keep my intake high so that my body is used to a high calorie intake. Apparently when you start to lower ur calories ur body adapts to living on that lower calorie intake and it's hard to retrain it to waste unnecessary calories when you try to increase them again.

 

biggest loser contestants are probably set for failure from thar very beginning because of this. It's a TV show and all the producers care about is ratings. Whatever happens to the contestants long term is not their responsibility 

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@EmjayH, I'm well aware of the extra calories I burn while working in the barn, that said, my real job is as an engineer, a job which has me sitting at a desk for eight or more hours per day.  Said another way, two to three hours, three days per week in the barn, forty or more hours sitting at my desk.  🙂

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@EmjayH, I was thinking about your post this morning while I was down in the barn and a few additional thoughts hit me:

  • While I do consider working with the  horses, and bales of hay, and grain bags, and mucking out the stalls, a fair amount of activity (my Fitbit is currently showing 101 minutes of activity), I don't really think I get much actual exercise from it.
  • My typical morning in the barn yields ~9,500 steps when the horses are still out in the summer pastures and more like 7,000 steps when the horses are in the winter pastures (which starts next week).
  • During my horse mornings I rarely see my heart rate exceed 100 bpm, and some less hectic mornings it doesn't even exceed 90 bpm; not a heck of a lot of aerobic activity there.
  • To be sure I have gotten stronger over the last 4.5 years I've been living here; I know this for no other reason than my suit jackets, which were a 40 Regular when I started, are now 42 Regular, and those are getting a little snug across the shoulders.
  • Regarding excess calorie burn, I haven't really tracked it relative to a single morning in the barn, but here we are at 9:15 in the morning and per my Fitbit, I've already burned 1,528 calories; I'm guessing maybe 500 of those are from the barn.

 

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When I was in my mid 30's I was in good shape and weighed 163 lbs. I had a very physical job (industrial maintenance), and still worked out. I never worried about my weight and could eat pretty much anything I wanted. My main diet was always pretty healthy, but did eat my share of junk food.

 

I got t-boned by a drunk driver one night on my way home from work and had internal injuries. Collapsed left lung, ruptured diaphragm, ruptured spleen, my stomach went through my diaphragm into my chest cavity, and both shoulders were partially dislocated. They had to remove my spleen, inflate my left lung, repair my diaphragm, and put my stomach back in place. the surgeon told me that I could not exercise for a year so everything could fully heal.

 

I still worked industrial maintenance for a while, but then decided to go to school for computer programming, and got a job doing that. I never got back into exercising, and since I now had a job sitting on my butt all day, I went from 163 lbs to about 230 lbs in a little over two and a half decades. I became so out of shape it was pathetic. I was also a heavy smoker and started getting winded just bringing the groceries in from the car.

 

I developed diverticulitis and wound up having to have surgery to remove a small section of my colon. They sent me to have my heart and lungs tested before they would do the surgery, and that uncovered a couple other issues. They discovered that I had COPD and that I have had a heart attach at some point. They still did the surgery but told me if I did not start exercising, lose weight, and quit smoking that I would not be around much longer. I was 57 at that time.

 

They told me to start walking for exercise, so that's what I did. I could barely walk a mile at a slow pace, then had to lay down because I felt like I was going to die. I remembered a fitness course that I took back when I was in the army in the 1980's, and started using that basic knowledge in my walking workouts.

 

I got a fitness tracker and started logging my food and recording my walking workouts. I set my tracker to lose 1 lb per week, followed my plan, and actually started losing about 1 lb per week. In the first year (52 weeks) I lost 57 lbs, and went from barely being able to walk a mile at a 3 mph pace to being able to power walk 10 miles at a 4.5 mph pace. I didn't change my diet all that much, but I did learn how to eat smarter and replace junk food with more nutritional food. I still eat junk food, just not as much.

 

The main reason I became obese was "lack of activity" not "my diet", so my solution was to use basic fitness knowledge to slowly increase my activity and fitness level over time. the key words being "slowly" and "over time".

 

I never agreed with the whole biggest loser thing, because losing too much weight too quickly will not produce long term results. It took me over two and a half decades to become obese, and everything in nature works slowly over time (except humans...lol).

 

The CDC lays out a good plan that would work for most people.

 

To maintain fitness you should get 150 minutes of exercise per week. to improve fitness you should double that number. You can always do more, but you should never do less.

 

In conjunction you should eat a well balanced healthy diet and limit junk food.

 

If you do these 2 things and make them a part of your normal day (habit), your body weight should fall in line all by itself.

 

healthy fitness level + healthy diet = healthy body weight

 

 

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