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Help with Weight / Fat loss

I have been after the same goal for over 1.5 years and am no longer having any luck.

1 year ago = 258 pounds

Today = 235

 

I have been stuck at 235 for 5 months+ even after making major changes to come over the road block. My goal is 190, I'm 5' 10"

 

My diet is mostly vegetarian & eggs / chicken. Nothing fired or overly sweet, no soda or any other soft drink.

Breakfast - 2 whole eggs, cup of tea and 1 slice of bread with pennut butter

Lunch - home cooked veggie meal or chi-fil-a southwest salad (Chili lime dressing) or similiar

4pm - snack fruit or chickpeas or something small

No dinner but post workout 6pm protien Shake (Just protein powder and water 130 cal)

 

For the past 2 months I increased my workout level:

M - Upperbody weight training (Bench press, Hammer curls, perched curls, shoulder press, etc..) about 45 minutes + 21 Minute HIIT on a Bowflex Max Trainer M8

T - 15 Fat burn Bowflex Max trainer M8 + 30 minute 3.5 mph walk on treadmill

W - Lower body weight training (Deadlift, squats, leg extention, lunges) + 20 minute 3.5 mph walk on treadmill 5% incline

Th - repeat Tuesday (The blowflex fat burn.. kills on this day post leg day but according to my fitbit and the machine burn 250 machine, 300 fitbit calories)

F - repeat Monday

 

S & Su rest but watch diet and I do eat a small dinner on these two days.

 

My fitbit i'm guessing is way off.. cause according to it I burn 3100-3400 calories on each weekday. While I'm getting stronger (being able to add more weight to training), my fat loss si pretty much gone. I don't see any changes to my body and cloths.

 

Any help is deeply appreciated.. I have seen a nutritionist but she said my diet was good only said I should add some other food on certain days which I do (Over night oats and whole food powder).

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Hi @AlexS-10.

 

Ultimately, it becomes a calories in/ calories out thing. You listed the foods, but I would recommend you log them into Fitbit so you know the number of calories you're eating. It's very possible to be eating healthy foods but still get too many calories.

 

So that's my advice--focus on the food part right now. Your exercise looks good, so I really think it's on the food side somewhere. Best of luck.

Work out...eat... sleep...repeat!
Dave | California

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So if I got it right, you were 258 lbs in May 2018 and 235 in December 2018. That’s a 23 lbs drop in 7 months (9% of your starting weight), which sounds reasonable. You said your goal chasing started 1.5 years ago (November 2017): what was your weight back then? Was is already 258, or much higher than that? How old are you and what’s your average step count (asking in order to determine how realistic energy expenditure reported by Fitbit is)?

 

Given that you have been maintaining your weight for several months now, you have a good baseline in terms of activity and eating: if you want to lose further, it’s as @WavyDavey said, you must create a caloric deficit. You can do so by keeping your activity the same and reducing the amount of food you’re eating, or by eating the same and increasing your activity, or by a combination of both.

Dominique | Finland

Ionic, Aria, Flyer, TrendWeight | Windows 7, OS X 10.13.5 | Motorola Moto G6 (Android 9), iPad Air (iOS 12.4.4)

Take a look at the Fitbit help site for further assistance and information.

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When I started it was 261 but initially I only started a diet change got rid of all bad to my knowledge but early 2018 I started working out which helped me get to 235 between 2017 and Nov 2018 but have been stuck at 235 since Nov 2018. Working out way more and eating even better 😞 

 

my Step count avgs 8500 - 11000 steps based on the day and am 35 years old. The Fitbit doesn't pick up steps on the Bowflex Max trainer but I do record the workout (21 min 130-170 heart bpm 340-360 calories etc..)

 

I create a huge Caloric deficit specially past 2 months I replaced Dinner with a Snack, but I do not record my meals / snacks but I am going to start doing so to get a better idea.

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I used this online calculator in order to get a "second opinion" about your energy expenditure (calories burned): based on your average step count, I would put your activity level somewhere between "light" and "moderate": given your age, your height and your current weight, your TDEE would be between 2760 and 3111, i.e. lower than Fitbit’s estimate of 3100-3400.

 

As to being able to burn 340-360 calories in about 20 minutes, I would take these numbers with a grain of salt. Here is what the Compendium of Physical Activities report for various types of rowing (I know Bowflex isn’t rowing, but I’ll use that as a form of intense cardio exercise):

 

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Your calculated BMR is 2007 calories, i.e. 2007/1440 = 1.39 calories per minute. You would need the most intense form of rowing (12.0 MET) in order to burn 1.39 x 12 x 21 = 334 calories in 21 minutes.

 

Btw, Fitbit doesn’t necessarily need activities to be step-based in order to pick up calories burned while performing them. The reason I was asking about your average step count is step count is a good proxy for overall activity level IMO. Many people may spend one hour at the gym everyday and feel very active because of that, but if they have an office job and are mostly sedentary outside the gym, their overall activity level won’t be that high.

 

The other thing to note is that - as someone who lost quite a bit of weight recently - your metabolism is slightly lower than what calculators and Fitbit estimate.

Dominique | Finland

Ionic, Aria, Flyer, TrendWeight | Windows 7, OS X 10.13.5 | Motorola Moto G6 (Android 9), iPad Air (iOS 12.4.4)

Take a look at the Fitbit help site for further assistance and information.

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Ok. First of all, I am SHOCKED, just SHOCKED to learn that Bowflex doesn't turn you into a fitness model in six weeks.  What's up with that?  😉

 

Seriously, though, you should record what you eat.  Do it for a few weeks or months if you can; weigh/measure and record everything -- including whatever you drink besides water. 

 

I put what you reported in the first post into MyFitnessPal and came up with a bit over 1000 calories for the day.  If that is really an accurate picture of what you eat every day over a period of months, your TDEE is a lot lower than what @Dominique came up with.  It is possible.  It is common to cut way back on calories, exercise an hour or two every day and still not lose weight because the body tries to maintain its weight by expending less energy for the 23 hours you don't work out --- i.e., basically shutting down movement other than what you do for your focused workouts, expending less energy than typical to maintain body temperature allowing temperature fluctuation, using the bare minimum of energy to get slowly from one place to the next, and sitting and laying around a lot.  

 

But it is more likely that when you start measuring and logging everything you eat as you eat it, and do that for weeks or months, you will quickly realize that some food was passing your lips without you ever realizing it.

 

Also, at 8-11K steps/day, you can probably find time throughout the day to up your energy expenditure.  Try adding in 4 or 5 15 minute aerobic walks throughout the day, taking stairs whenever possible, parking further from wherever you are going, etc.  Don't try to go for too much too fast.  You don't want injuries.  But a gradual increase in energy expenditure throughout the day, something you can maintain long-term, not just as a temporary weight loss tool, makes the whole process of weighing less a lot easier.

Scott | Baltimore MD

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@AlexS-10 

 

Let's clear some confusion first, because I think you are slightly confused in how to build lean muscle mass while reducing body fat.

 

In the body building world, we call this a cut and bulk phase.  A cutting phase is a phase where you want to reduce your weight by being in a CALORIC DEFICIT.  In a bulking up phase, your main purpose is to promote muscle growth and in order to build new cells, new muscles you must be in a CALORIC SURPLUS.

 

Just by looking at your cutting phase and you had been for more than a year now (way too long and very unhealthy for your body), the reason you were getting stronger and also be able to lose weight at the same time and also be in a caloric deficit is because you started out with a lot of body fat,  where body fat were used as fuel to supplement the caloric deficit food intake to complete your intense workout.  You were also clever enough to maintain protein synthesis but taking just enough protein (I say "just enough") to promote some lean muscle mass growth and stem the lean muscle mass loss which is indicative in the cutting phase where people kept pushing for more workouts, more caloric deficit and being in a weight plateau.

 

What happens is that, this cutting phase method will not last long because there is a finite point where the body will simply say I won't burn body fat anymore to promote your workout.  So up to a point and since you are in a caloric deficit still and your exercises are consuming more calories that you are providing, you are now allowing the body to turn your muscle mass into glucose with a process called gluconeogenesis.  So the protein intake you are consuming is allowing some protein synthesis which helps build lean muscle mass, but you are just doing that to allow your body to farm them later on for glucose.  Some internal body organs can only function with glucose, not body fat, as fuel so your body can provide surplus glucose through converting muscle mass into glucose (fuel) because you are still in a caloric deficit.  The reason why you can't no longer depend on your body fat as fuel is part of your body genetics and composition.  Up to a point, you can only burn so much body fat while being in a caloric deficit.  Which means the free ride you had been enjoying thus far had ended.  From this point on, you need to rely on building more lean muscle mass so you can increase your BMR and burn more body fat.  Also, more active lean muscle mass helps burn more body fat at rest or while sleeping. 

 

Which is why there is a bulking phase.  A phase where you stop being in a caloric deficit and be in a caloric surplus for awhile while bulking up your lean muscle mass.  In this phase, you really NEED to monitor your caloric intake so you only consume what you lost, because you can easily gain muscle mass plus more body fat if you allow excess glucose (converted from eating too much food, but your body doesn't need) to be stored as body fat.  Also in the bulking up phase, you will need to consume more natural lean protein like chicken, fish, eggs etc and rely less on protein shake which gives you more calories than you need and also has too much sugar content which helps promote more body fat!  I personally love fish and I eat a lot of fish.  Also in the bulking phase, it is important to maintain good nutrients, minerals and vitamin intake at adequate levels to allow good muscle growth as well as body fat reduction.  A good amount of dietary fibre as well as a good amount of dietary fat like Omega 3 and 6 are essential in good body building, which I see in your diet list you are really lacking of.  I am also surprised that your nutritionist did not see this, because a licensed and trained nutritionist would have raised some alarm bells with your diet.  I highly recommend that you seek another nutritionist, someone who has ample experience in providing expert advice in proper nutrition with people who are in a cutting and bulking phase of their work out.

 

It is through a proper and smart cut and bulk phase or bulk and cut phase will you be able to achieve your goal.  In my case, it took me about 1 year to accomplish.  You are NOT going to achieve your goal with only a cut phase or your weight will plateau and not a thing will happen with your body fat.

The fact of the matter is, the body will always preserve body fat once it hits a critical juncture.  Meaning that the body will do something like a medical triage; putting certain body functions at the lower list of essentials and only turning on the functions that are essential for survival, while operating in a lower energy deficit while not touching body fat.  For women, the first signs of this would be the disruption of their menstrual cycle as well as their baby reproductive abilities since women need a higher body fat% than men as well as dry skin and cold flashes.  Men have similar symptoms of feeling cold, dry skin but no menstrual cycles issues.

 

If you click at my trend weight at below, you'll see an example of a new school of cutting and bulking up phase also known as "Body Recomposition" where I gain lean muscle mass plus losing body fat at similar rates.  My cut phase was from June 14th, 2018 to Dec 2018.  My bulking phase through a caloric surplus and progressive overload of my workout from Jan 2019 to now has yield a much more reduced waist line and my upper body features are leaner and more muscle pronounced.  And my Renpho scale recently picked it up after 6 months of bulking up.  According to the scale, the trend line for lean muscle mass growth is up, but my body fat % had dropped.  This is to be expected while my weight stayed the same!  This may not necessarily apply to you in terms of keeping weight stable (I watch how much I eat and what I put into my mouth), but from the point where I hit the plateau, I had to rely on more muscle growth to continue reducing body fat and in order to foster more muscle growth, I have to be in a caloric surplus.  There is simply no other way. 

 

Too many people did the wrong way on working out and trying to encourage muscle growth in a caloric deficit stage.  That will never work in the long run in the quest to lose body fat.  All you get is a Yo-Yo effect of ups and downs of wild body weight swings rather than the smooth stable growth of muscle mass and smooth reduction of body fat.

 

The signature of a healthy body is to have a good composition of lean muscle mass and low body fat, slightly above the essential body fat range of both men and women.  The number on the scale means nothing as it doesn't show you the body fat and lean muscle mass composition, bowel condition, water retention rate etc..

 

Hope this helps you.  Good luck!   

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@AlexS-10 I think you need to decide if you want to lose weight or if if you want to focus on muscle. It is impossible to do both things at the same time which was described in the post above. You are eating high protein things which are also high in fat. Not unhealthy per se but not ideal every day for someone trying to lose weight. If you measure and log your food, you will get a good sense for where you are each day and make adjustments from there. I also think you may want to hit a reset button. Give yourself a break for at least a week. Just eat what feels right, keep your activity level at your normal and then restart with a clear goal of calories in each day vs calories out. Let us know how you are doing periodically, we are cheering for you!

Elena | Pennsylvania

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