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The Diet plateau. What is it?

Trying to dispel some dieting myths here and the erroneous beliefs in Starvation Modes, calorie counting, muscle loss and Thermogenic effect of eating.

 

So we've gained weight and carry this weight around in the form of engorged fat cells.  Fat cells have blood vessels flowing through them and there is a metabolic cost (takes more energy) of maintaining them in this engorged state.  Now add on to the fact that we've gotten older - everything tells us as we age, our muscles reduce so our Basil Metabolic Rate (BMR) decreases.  So we're burning a little more from excess fat and a lot less from Muscle Atrophy (age = more sedentary, less muscle use=Atrophy).  It's diet time!

 

BMR is the rate at which our bodies burn energy just live if we do nothing but lay in bed all day.  Let's say that's 1400 calories.  Very few of us are that sedentary that we lay in bed all day, so we get up and use the bathroom, make some food, walk to and from the car to get to work, etc.  Let’s say that burns us another 500 calories on the day, so our total caloric burn is 1900.  This means if you eat this much you'll neither gain nor lose weight, but we want to lose weight and all the information says 1-2 lbs. a week is good.  A pound of fat is equivalent to about 3500 calories, so to lose a pound you have to burn this much more than you take in - a bit daunting as a number, but if you break this down to 500 calories a day over 7 days, that is 3500 or a lb. of fat a week that has to be used to maintain you daily life.  All well and good and we do this for several weeks and loose say 10 lbs.  Awesome - good job!

 

But now there is 10 lbs. of fat which no longer has to be maintained by our bodies so our BMR goes down a bit – let’s just say 100 calories, so now our BMR is 1300.  If we do nothing to add to our activity during the day, we are moving 10 less pounds around, so our burn rate decreases too - say another 100 calories.  so now we are at 1300 plus 400 or 1700 calories a day, but we continue to eat 1400 per day so our deficit is now only 300 - times 7 days or 2100 calorie deficit a week or 0.6 lbs.  Extrapolate that out and as the weight goes down, so the caloric burn until we are no longer losing weight because we no longer have a calorie deficit.

 

What to do, what to do?  We have to get our deficit back which we can do by either eating less or burning more.  The problem with eating less is we start to sacrifice the nutrients our bodies need which could, in turn, hider fat loss.  The answer is burning more.  So we have to become more active.  We have to either increase the amount of exercise or the intensity of exercise.  There is a balance to be achieved here as well.  Some exercise is good, but a lot can cause the increase in cortisol - a stress hormone - and hinder fat loss.  If we aren't doing any exercise then adding some is great.  This is where devices like fitbit are great.  They can motivate you to get out and just walk more without a lot of stress.  An hour of walk can burn about 200 calories (varies depending on your weight and effort).  Gee, that's exactly the amount we lost from our loss, so an hour a day gets us back to our 3500 calories a week and we overcome our slowdown and continue to loose.

 

This will happen again and again during the weight loss journey.  As you lose, you must increase your rate of burn.  The only way to keep this balance is to know what you burn and what you eat.  You have to count calories in and out and you have to do it consistently.  There has been multiple studies done where people claim they eat so much, but when it's tracked, they eat much more.  The reverse has also been found in people who claim they can't gain weight as they would like.  Estimating calories if next to impossible.

 

But didn't I say too much exercise would release cortisol and hinder weight loss?  Yes, but as in all things there are multiple variables to consider.  It seems the cortisol is related to time and not so much to intensity.  Plus it is a response to too much stress being put on the body.  But the body adapts as well, so what may be too today may not be too much tomorrow.  What I mean by that is as we get in better shape, it takes more to get the level of stress.  Intensity of exercise is a way to get there.

 

Intensity is the level of effort that is put into an exercise.  For example, if you walk 2 miles every day, you'll get to a point where that goes from difficult to easy.  As you get in shape, the effort required is relatively less, but if you pick up the pace and jog, the intensity goes back up again and you burn more calories.  As that becomes easier, you run.  Then you run faster.  Then you run up-hills.  It’s the same with resistance training.  You lift 10 lbs, then 15, then 20 and you keep building up.  You can lift faster or you can lift super slow.  So by upping the intensity, we can consume more calories within a given time frame and not have to work out longer adding to stress.  There is some potential to add time as well as the body adapts, but that seems to come more slowly than intensity build up.

 

So now let's look at the frequency of eating.  A strong adage is to eat 6 small meals a day to boost the metabolism.  Any benefit from eating comes in what is known as the Thermogenic effect of digestion.  This has been measured at about 10% of the calories consumed are used to digest those calories.  If you eat 500 calories, 50 go to digestion.  If you eat 1500, 150 go to digestion or increase in metabolism.  So if I eat 250 calorie meals, six times a day, I'll consume 1500 calories and boost my metabolism by 150 calories.  If I eat one meal a day that is 1500 calories, I'll boost my metabolism by 150 calories.  Small meals, big meals - other things being equal have no bearing on metabolism.  The problem with six small meals is that each time you eat, your body secrets digestive hormones including insulin.  What you are in effect doing is keeping your cells constantly exposed to insulin.  It is believed now that this constant exposure is much like any other drug, the cells start to become less sensitive to it and it takes more and more to get the same effect.  This is known as insulin resistance and is associated with pre-diabetes.  Eating only once or twice a day and fasting the rest of the time means there is time when your cells are no longer exposed to this hormone so when it is, it's more effective in smaller doses. 

 

Glycogen vs ketones.  Glycogen is the primary source of fuel for our muscles and brain (made from blood glucose to be stored in the tissue for conversion to energy through the ADP to ATP cycle) when we have it in our blood stream, but recent tests on animals indicate the brain may actually work better on ketones.  Ketones seem to stimulate production of growth hormones which, in turn, cause stem cells to grow into more brain neurons.  Ketones are the energy source that results from the breakdown of fat and this can be used by both the brain and muscle tissue for energy in the absence of blood glucose.  In addition to glycogen for energy, muscles also need Branch Chain Amino Acids to help with repair and growth.  A diet high in good quality proteins can proved all the BCAA's necessary to prevent muscle loss while the ketones provide the energy.  This is how we can loose fat without loosing muscle and keep our metabolism at its highest possible level.  If we are doing weight lifting and eating enough protein, you can actually gain muscle while loosing fat.  The myth that fat lose automatically equals muscle loss is a very persistent belief.  It's my opinion that any muscle loss associated with dieting is when the dieter either stops, reduces or never has exercised for strength and the muscle atrophy from non use rather than reduce from the so called "Starvation mode" or catabolic state.  Also remember that glycogen (glucose stored in the tissues for energy) is produced from a process called glycogenesis which is driven by insulin.  As long as you have blood glucose, insulin is converting it to either glycogen or fat.  If you don't have glucose in your blood, the insulin stops and you start breaking down fat to replace the energy being used by the consumption of glycogen.  The more you work your muscles, the faster you burn up the glycogen and need more ketones to replace them. 

 

So it’s not just about the burn during exercise either.  Strength train is a very intragal part of dieting.  I've already stated that if we have enough BCAA in our diet, we can actually gain muscle while losing fat.  In addition to that, fasting can increase the amount of growth hormone which helps us build muscle.  Remember when athletes used to take testosterone to get a competitive advantage, then they started testing for it, so they switched to HGH (Human Growth Hormones). They test for that now too, but you can get a similar effect (though not to the level of supplementation) through fasting.  I personally do my strength training at the end of my fasting period.  In six weeks I've had a 13% increase in strength as measured by my increase in lifting volume vs before fasting.  I am eating about 1500-1800 calories a day with lots of protein to include whey protein supplements and loosing on average of 2.67 lbs. a week while getting stronger in the process.  Also, strength training increases metabolism for as much as 48 hours after the exercise to repair and build the muscle.  Cardio (aerobic) burns during the workout and Strength (anaerobic) burns after the exercise.  Of course if you run hard enough and long enough to enter anaerobic state, it would work the same.

 

So there are a few additional things I've done too.  I make my own juice weekly which is a formula I designed based on additional research.  It seems some things like beets increase nitric oxide in the blood that help with blood pressure as well as stimulating some testosterone production.  Pomegranates and Onions also increase testosterone.  Cruciferous vegetables provide an element that binds with OEstrogen in men (stored with fat and released when fat is burned) to help metabolize it without it becoming estrogen, so lots of them.  Fruits like berry's and grapes also have benefits.  I drink 8-10 oz of this everyday with some added whey protein powder and kefir for digestion and a liquid vitamin. 

 

I hope this sheds some light, especially for those who are having difficulty losing the fat.  I have done a lot of self-experimentation on these principles and found them to be true for me.  I get them from scouring the internet and looking mainly for scholary papers and not just blogs and internet hype.  I discuss the principles with various medical professionals as well (even they don't always agree.  I'm also informed that nutrition and weightloss is one of the most controversial areas of medicine).  Then I apply some common sense thinking to evaluate the logic of each principle in a gestalt perspective.  You can dispute these principles all you want, but you can't dispute the 42 lbs. I've lost practicing them.

 

Good luck to you in your journey.

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Great post! Thanks!

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Nice job divedragon.

 

Please add this and you will get the body you always wanted.

 

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/high-intensity-interval-training-the-ultimate-guide.html

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@I-train-hard wrote:

Nice job divedragon.

 

Please add this and you will get the body you always wanted.

 

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/high-intensity-interval-training-the-ultimate-guide.html


I-train-hard,

 

That is a great point.  I do HIIT 2 x per week.  I run as hard as I can for 30-40 seconds then walk for 2 minutes and repeat 7-9 more times.  I am working on shortening that walking period to no more than 90 seconds, but not quite able to recover that quickly yet.  HIIT is a way to get that intensity level up and burn more fat.  I highly recommend everyone try to add HIIT to their weekly routine - espeically if time is a critical factor in your work out.  Read the referenced article as it has a lot of good information.

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 Try this, if you would like:

2 min run 2 min slower times 5 gives you 20 min workout 2 X 2 X 5

Next week

1 min run 1 min slower times 10 gives you 20 min   1 X1 X 10

3rd week

1.5 run 1.5min slower times 7 gives you 21 min   1.5 X 1.5 X 5

Don’t do it more than 3 times a week. If you lifting heavy drop your weight by 10-15%

Your body would needs to regenerate.

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Not sure I'm to the condition to do this regiment.  I'm planning HIIT tonight, so I'll see how close I can get to it.  Trying to run 2 min as fast as I can go seems pretty agressive.  I did a lot of research on this last couple of days.  Seems the befifit is to get the msucles into a deprived O2 state (anerobic) and the fat is burned in recovery.  I'd be good to go a minute at full speed.

 

I do appreciate your suggestions though.  Always good to get other perspectives.

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Excellent article, thank you! I need this, as I have been on this plateau for way too long. Could you please explain more detail for your diet of 1400-1800 calories?
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Excellent article, thank you! I need this, as I have been on this plateau for way too long. Could you please explain more detail for your diet of 1400-1800 calories?

Sure.  Not positive what you what to know, but I'll start by telling you how I arrived at it for me.  I went to this website: http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/ and put in my information to get me BMR (the rate at which I burn calories laying in bed all day).  I led a fairly sedentary lifestyle which the mayo clinic says to multiply you BMR by 1.2 to get total daily calories.  My  BMR is 1795 and by 1.2 is 2154.  If I don't go over 1800 per day, my deficite is 354 calories and if I stay at 1500, my deficite is 654.  354x7 days is 2478 or just shy of a 1 pound a week and 654 is 4578 or just over a pound a week of fat loss.  This is the basis of my count.

 

Notice I mentioned a sedentary lifestyle and no mention of exercise or increasing my lifestyle to something more active.  I don't do that intentionally as the exercise program mealy enhances my loss rate depending on how much I do.  When I started this program, I weighed 240 lbs and only began by walking, but each day I walked, I tried to go just a few steps further or faster.  Eventually I began to jog a little.  As time went on, I jogged longer.  Later I introduced weight training and now high intensity interval training.  All this means I push myself to burn calories at a level that keeps me loosing fat.  My point being is I built in a hidden deficit and then I structure my exercise program in push my body at an equal rate all the time.  What used to make me tired doesn't anymore, but what I do now, does make me tired.

 

The combination of the deficit and the exercise keeps me loosing weight.  It's not just the diet.  Eat enough to get your nutrients and then exercise off the rest.  My diet is high protein and only whole, high quality carbs in the form of veggies and fruit. 

 

Hope this answers your question.  If not, feel free to ask me specific questions.

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Awesome @divedragon! Thank you very much for this great post. Very interesting. Smiley Very Happy

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@divedragon thank you! You've helped me more than you know friend 😀

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Divedragon, how you doing man? 

 

 

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Doing well!  You?   I did HIIT training last week and did a 1minx1min with 10 reps.  I did it on a treadmill, but I don't know that I pushed it as hard as if I did it outside.  I think I will try it again outside tomorrow morning.  I did a steady 43 minute jog this morning and got about 4.5 miles in with my heart rate average 138 (130 is supposed to be my 80% max (220-57*.8)). It helped that it was 32 degrees this morning so kept jogging to stay warm.

 

Weight training tonight.  Hope to get out of here a little sooner than normal tonight.  I may have to change my eating window as its often so late to get my workout in, I'm not getting all the eating in.  Thinking of shifting my eating window to afternoon and doing weight lifting in the morning so its at the end of my fast.  Cardio can happen in a non-fasted state.  Did not get home to the scales this past weekend, so no weigh in.

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I am fitness freak……I work out 7 days a week, no exceptions.

I do HITT twice a week my heart rate in the peak is about 150 bpm but sometimes I am so tired and I just go on treadmill and walk 2 miles. I never skip my lifting day, that’s not an option.

I will try to go under 10% of body fat but that is a tricky s.o.b to do…. I don’t want to lose weight I want to get rid of the fat that doesn’t want to leave me.  

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7 days a week isn't healthy.  You need some time to recoup.  Being tired, your body is telling you something.  Having said that, I tend to over do it myself.  I"m 57 and I've been over weight and drinking too much for several years.  I used to be in good shape during and after the military.  In 2004 I got into computers and started traveling for work and gradually the running fell off and the weight started accumulating and the drinking went up.  2008- now were especially bad, but this year I'm on the journey to health once again.  It is so much harder at my age to keep going.  I am up at 5 am every morning trying to jog.  I walk for an hour an lunch and in the evening there is a gym across from the hotel where I do a 30-40 minute work out doing only compound exercises. By the end of the week my whole body is sore and joints ache.  I do tend to slack off a little on the weekends and just get my 10k steps in, so I am far more active than I had been.  Travel days are Sunday and Thursday and many of my steps on those days are with a 35 lb backpack.

 

I spend the weekends cooking food and freezing it to bring with me and also stay in a hotel with a kitchenett so I can do some cooking to avoid restaurants as much as possible.  Its all so totally worth it.  I feel so much better and know with the last 17 lbs I'll feel 10 years younger again.

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Sometimes I wonder what is healthy. I have been going to gym for the last year 7 days a week. I have asked myself, can I do that and still do a progress? Well I was really surprised. I do a squats close to 600 lbs DL about 405 lbs etc. I am not a pro but I do it for fun and all the benefits that comes with it. Currently I am 209 lbs trying to get my body fat to say 10%. It is realistic just hard to do. I gave myself a year. I do eat a lot of food, none of junk, but love to eat a good carbs so I have energy to train.  Funny, I cook at home as well. I do shop for food…..I really like it.  

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So I hit my own plateau last week where my weight remained the same from the previous week at 197.5  This week I tried to take my own advice and up my intensity level.  The previous week I was able to jog for 40 minutes straight at the beginning of the week, but the other 5 days I reverted to my walk/jog routine.  This week I was able to jog anywhere from 42-52 minutes without stopping 4 days in a row.  I also watched my heart rate and began by averaging in the 136 bpm range with peaks to about 148 until thursday where I upped it again and was able to maintain an average of 147 bpm over 52 minutes with peaks to 152.

 

I just got off the scales and lost 2 more lbs this week, down to 195.6.  Calories stayed about the same this week and maybe even higher for the whole week (I went way over last Sunday).  I wanted to share this with everyone to further illustrate my position on dieting plateaus.  None of us are immune to them, but we can't make excuses for them either.  It's just plain hard work (read my inner dialog).  And remember, it's not about increasing the amount of exercise you do, but the intensity.  Those 50ish minutes was about 30 minutes per day fewer than when I walked/jog.

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It’s time you start tricking your body…..it is possible.

 

On Sunday eat whatever you want and as much as you want. Yeah, I know it sound scary for a lot of folks but do it and don’t overthink it. As Nike says Just do it.

 

If you want to see progress lifting must be included in your training routine. There is a question though, do you really want to loose lbs. or you want to have an athletic body? Yes, it is possible but you need to make a choice. All training sets, reps depend on your choice.

 

Time and access to fitness equipment would be needed. It should be 3 times a week -lifting days and nothing after that, no cardio. When you done with it, you should be really tired.

 

Few months after that, if you want to have lover body fat it is a bit more complicated but achievable. All comes to portion, intake of fat, carbs and proteins and extreme regime of fallowing the rules.

 

When you would be on very strict diet, any intake of food would have impact on the outcome. It’s extremely hard psychical and mental game. I failed it the first time, I underestimated it.

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@I-train-hard wrote:

It’s time you start tricking your body…..it is possible.

 

On Sunday eat whatever you want and as much as you want. Yeah, I know it sound scary for a lot of folks but do it and don’t overthink it. As Nike says Just do it.

 

If you want to see progress lifting must be included in your training routine.

 

Time and access to fitness equipment would be needed. It should be 3 times a week -lifting days and nothing after that, no cardio. When you done with it, you should be really tired.

 

 

When you would be on very strict diet, any intake of food would have impact on the outcome. It’s extremely hard psychical and mental game. I failed it the first time, I underestimated it.


I didn't go into detail on the week, but yes, lifting is part of my routine.  I lift 2-3 days a week.  I do 3x5, 3x8 and 3x10 of each exercise, all compound moves.  It takes about 40 minutes and tired I am.  I am living sore these days!!!  I am intermittent fasting so I only eat between 6pm and 10pm and typically stop befor 9 because I"m in bed.  I am consuming approximately 1500 calories of high quality protein in the form of roasted chicken salad made with yogurt or other lean meats.  I drink a vegetable drink I juice myself with added protein power, liquid vitamines, CLA and homemade kefir. 

 

I travel for work so I spend much of my time in hotels.  I have joined a gym that is directly across the street from the hotel I typically stay in, so I have convience.  My hours are very long as we go in at 7 am and don't get back to the hotel until 7 pm.  I do my cardio in the morning from 5-6 and my lifting in the evening 7-7:40, eat and bed.  That is life on the road.

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How about carbs? What your intake on carbs?

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I don't eat a lot of carbs.  Maybe 60-70 grams per day on average.  Other than my alcohol vice, most comes from organic veggies, the homemade veggie juice or the tortillias I have with my homemade guacamole.  I'm averaging 70-90 g of protein per day.

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