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What am I doing wrong?

I started on a high protein/low carb/low fat diet 4 days ago and have been tracking my food religiously since then.  Here's my calorie breakdowns.  I have it set conservatively for -500 deficit.

 

Thursday - 1,315 in / 2,289 out (-474)

Friday - 1,281 in / 2,300 out (-519)

Saturday - 1,603 in / 2,192 out (-89)

Sunday - 1,456 in / 2,082 out (-126)

 

So, I've had my -500 deficit every day + the above deficit.  I've lost 0 so far.  Not even a tenth of a pound!  Am I eating too much?  Should I put my deficit up to -750, -1000?  This is getting very frustrating! 

 

Thanks for your advice!

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I think there are a lot of interesting and thoughtful posts here by different people, many of whom have clearly done their homework, whether by trial (and maybe error) or reading, or both.  I've just started, and it's obviously a way of life to some and requires dedication and changing habits, as well as mindset.  I come to this, and other, boards, for good advice, so for that thank you all, in spades.  From a newbie perspective, I'll take the advice, try it, ask for me as I need it, be thankful and see how it works.  If different folks push different things, maybe i'll cherry pics as I get more sophisticated with it.  

 

Personally, I've been grateful for good points from both @divedragon and @GershonSurge in the past, and try to learn from them.  The dissenting makes it a bit harder, but I'll take the good, listen to my body to the extent I can, and see how it works.  You all have also pointed me in good directions with articles etc.  

 

It's a lot to take in, and a bit like diving down a rabbit hole, so we'll see what happens.

 

In the meantime, as long as I can look forward to an occassionally tasty treat (or drink), without feeling like I've failed and have to start from scratch, I'm good.

 

Sorry for the rambly post.  But really -- super thankful for all the views.

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That's not photoshopped. And it didn't come from Dr. McDougall. 

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@GershonSurge

 

I don't know that I buy this starch diet either.  Admittedly, I have done little research on it, to be slightly more educated on the subject.   That being said, If you do not eat any meat or dairy products how do you get vitamins and nutrients such as Vitamin B12s or Omega Acids?  Not trying to add to what seems to be an already boisterous "mine is better than yours" fight.  Just wondering. Also, I found many claims that animal products offer little nutrition and are all bad cholesterol.  Sorry, the facts don't support this claim.

 

I do a Macro diet.  I stick to a 700 calorie deficit and split my nutrition as a 40% Protein/ 40% Carb/ 20% Fat.  This is because I weight lift and I am trying to put on muscle.  There are different ratios for different goals, but this is working for me. 

 

 

 

 

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@GershonSurge wrote:

That's not photoshopped. And it didn't come from Dr. McDougall. 


It may not have come from Dr. McDougall.  However it definitely is photoshopped... Sorry.

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Without taking sides, I find the pic thing funny, because regardless of whether photoshopped, there's the old adage ... those who can't do....

 

Also, the message and messanger are often at odds.  Not getting into personal beliefs, or lack thereof, but just ask Jim and Tammy Bakker.....

 

A little levity, or gravity, as it were..

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@JamieS_Wisco@divedragon

 

Now that it was pointed out, I agree that photo could be photoshopped. However, you aren't likely to find any pictures of a skinny Dr. Atkins except when he was young.

 

The only nutrient that is said to not be available in a plant based diet is B-12. Keep in mind, B-12 is reused efficiently in the body. People on a plant based diet will almost always test low for B-12, but they will seldom have symptoms. Meat eaters become symptomatic because of a folate deficiency. That's why so many foods have folic acid in them.

 

B-12 is manufactured in the large intestine, and recent research is suggesting it is produced all through the digestive system. I don't have enough confidence in that research to give a reference. Bluntly, B-12 comes from inhaled **ahem** from animals of all types. When people work around animals or frequently walk on trails where pack animals have been, they inhale and swallow enough B-12. Since not many people do this, Dr. McDougall recommends a supplement once a week after three years.

 

If you read section 3 of this reference, you will find where Omega acids come from.

 

You are weight lifting to build muscle mass and are eating extra protein to facilitate this. Dr. McDougall explains the effects of eating too much protein in this article. My favorite quote is something like "You build muscle by hard work, not by hard eating." 

 

Many say a person cannot gain muscle while losing weight. They also say you can't build muscle without extra protein. My personal story shows differently. Granted, it's only one person.

 

Background: I started losing weight on May 15th. I only had 17 pounds to lose. At first, I was going to lose 24, but my body fat percentage went down enough so I don't need to lose more. I started running about 6.8 miles most days and was burning 4,000 calores a day for the first month or so. Then on Jun 9th, I pulled a muscle in my back, so I couldn't run or walk far. I still did many household chores to keep active and stayed around 4,000 calories a day. Then around June 25th I pulled an achilles tendon jumping rope. I started weight lifting shortly before. If you look at my profile, you will see my step count is low and so is my calorie burn.

 

My proteins were from 11 to 13% of my calories during this time. I track everything carefully and use Fitbit premium to get the weekly averages.

 

Let's look at the results. Keep in mind, lean mass is not the same as muscle. It's about 45% muscle. All meausrements were done at the same time on an Aria scale. The direction is confirmed by another scale I have. I suspect the Aria is 2 or 3% low on body fat, but it's consistent.

 

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My weight went from 191.3 to 173.8 lbs. I'm 6'0" tall. I haven't quite decided if I'm going to stop here or go to 165. It depends on my fat percentage.

 

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My fat went from 52 pounds to 25.9 pounds. That's expected while losing weight. What was not expected is the gain in lean mass.

 

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My lean mass went from 139.0 to 147.9 pounds. I agree there is no way to determine how much of this was muscle weight, but people would be all over it if the lean mass went the other way.

 

Hopefully, you are still with me.  Dr. McDougall stated quite clearly in one of his videos he would support small amounts of meat in the diet, but people wouldn't stick to "small amounts." 

 

There are other good diets that include small amounts of meat, fish, dairy, and eggs. The Pritikin diet for one. Ken Cooper who was the father of Aerobics -- he invented the word. Jack LaLanne in his book "Live Young Forever." Dr. John Kellogg, who people love to misquote and hate. People forget his vocation was treating patients with severe constipation.

 

What harm is there in watching his videos? Sometimes, it's good to know what a person is really against.

 

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@GershonSurge that's interesting.  I have one peripheral question that your post brought to mind.  With B-12, deficiencies can be devastating if brain function, with deficiencies sometimes mirroring dementia, sometimes accompanying it.  That being said, isn't risking low B-12 a concerning risk?  Or at least, a possible symptom?  

 

Not trying to take away from topic, just speaking out of recent familial experience and research.  Thanks for listening.

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@GershonSurge wrote:

@JamieS_Wisco@divedragon

 

Now that it was pointed out, I agree that photo could be photoshopped. However, you aren't likely to find any pictures of a skinny Dr. Atkins except when he was young.

 

 

 


Really???  Would love to know what your definition of young is....12481049-large.jpg

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@rfc1995 wrote:

@GershonSurge that's interesting.  I have one peripheral question that your post brought to mind.  With B-12, deficiencies can be devastating if brain function, with deficiencies sometimes mirroring dementia, sometimes accompanying it.  That being said, isn't risking low B-12 a concerning risk?  Or at least, a possible symptom?  

 

Not trying to take away from topic, just speaking out of recent familial experience and research.  Thanks for listening.


@rfc1995,

 

Sorry you had to go through that experience in your family.

 

The symptoms of a B-12 deficiency can be quite serious. I take a tablet about once a week to prevent a deficiency since I don't work around animals.

 

More meat-eaters have problems with not processing B-12 than plant-eaters have with not having enough. Dr. McDougall said plant-eaters have about a one in a million chance of developing symptoms. I'm not sure he meant that literally. There are some diseases that can cause symptoms an inability to absorb B-12, but they are only in the tropics. The way to avoid a problem is taking a supplement.

 

Meat-eaters have a host of other problems every bit as serious. 

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@Mukluk4 wrote:

@GershonSurge wrote:

@JamieS_Wisco@divedragon

 

Now that it was pointed out, I agree that photo could be photoshopped. However, you aren't likely to find any pictures of a skinny Dr. Atkins except when he was young.

 

 

 


Really???  Would love to know what your definition of young is....12481049-large.jpg


It's sometimes difficult to determine what's fat in a picture without a comparison.

 

what's fat

 

Dr. McDougall is in the front with the dark suit. He is 69 years old, 6'0 inches tall and generally weights 161 pounds, which is the center of his normal weight range. I think the person to his left is Dr. Esselstyn who is 82 or 83. The person in the back is Dennis Burkit who lived to be 82. He is the one credited with teaching the importance of fiber in the diet. I think the person Dr. McDougall is shaking hands with is his son.

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Right now, I'm a stickler and I weigh everything that I put into my mouth. In the long run, you can just eye ball things after learning about portions.

 

Do you have a digital scale? It is a must to me if you are really into counting calories. I was 216 pounds, but I'm 6'2. I dropped down to 200 quickly without any exercise at all and just counting calories. I did this in just over 2 months. I just weighed things that couldn't be exact measurements (fruits, meat, etc).

 

I was SHOCKED at what some of my portions were when I didn't have a scale.

 

 

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Dietary fat doesn't make you fat and neither do carbs. Eating more calories than you burn makes you fat.

 

The graph below shows my calorie intake, weight and calorie burn during my weight loss phase. I started out eating 50 grams of fat per day and 169 grams of carbs per day. By the time I got to my goal weight I was eating 88 grams of fat per day and 320 grams of carbs per day. So, I lost weight by increasing both my fat intake and carb intake. Macro nutrients don't really matter that much when it comes to weight loss -- calories are king.

 

So, I got to my ideal weight without eating low carb, low fat or low calorie. I got to my goal weight by burning more calories than I consumed. I didn't need to eat low fat and I certainly didn't need to transition to a ketogenic state. I ate a reasonable balanced diet that averaged 30% fat, 45% carbs and 25% protein. I ate pizza, steak, pasta, tomatoes, potatoes and drank beer. No dogma. No frills. No books. No videos. I just ate less than I burned.

 

Since getting to my goal weight I have actually reduced processed foods but it has had no impact on my weight. It's probably healthier for me to eat the way I do now (mostly but not all whole foods) but nutrition and weight loss are 2 separate topics in my opinion.

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I do Keto and it works great for me. I have never had more energy or felt more great. It takes a few days to burn off the stored glucose in your system, so you probably weren't in ketosis just yet. Give it a couple more days and you will start to see results.

ps, I eat all my carbs from veggies, I am not constipated, I have lost weight when i have platued from previously losing weight from low fat/calorie intake..... so while this way of eating may  not be for everyone, it works well for me. 

 

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@Jenni_Lee wrote:

so while this way of eating may  not be for everyone, it works well for me.  


That’s the main thing. There’s no point in arguing my diet is better than yours. Each of us needs to find what floats their boat.

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Your "diet" works for some people but a high protein, low carb diet works for others, like myself.  I've stated this before but about 4 years ago, my Dr. said I would need to go on statins----well, I chose to start running (nothing over 3 miles---3-4 days a week) and cut out processed carbs, wheat and dairy.  I eat 4 eggs every day plus almost a pound of protein in addition to that (no red meat though) and my lipid panel and cholesterol are great---no more need for a statin, so what I'm doing is working *for ME*---I eat a lot of fruit and veggies every day and cheat about twice a week----I'm 20 + pounds thinner as well.

 

I LOVE meat/eggs and they work with my body, while for others a totally plant based diet apparently works

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