10-18-2014 18:16
10-18-2014 18:16
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01-07-2017 07:39
01-07-2017 07:39
It would not read on the stairstep elliptical. Or the stair machine. I had it on my shoelace and that solve the problem. If anyone disagrees please let me know because I want to do this right thank you
01-07-2017 10:50
01-07-2017 10:50
I agree with not reading on the stairstep elliptical, @mcmyjoy, especially if you are doing the HIIT workout on it - you really need to concentrate on your exercise on that machine. I wear my Charge 2 on my wrist as normal, using the Elliptical exercise mode, and it does a really good job of tracking steps, HR, calories, etc., due to the arm movement with the workout.
01-07-2017 10:59
01-07-2017 10:59
01-08-2017 09:55
01-08-2017 09:55
01-08-2017 10:12
01-08-2017 10:12
@Heybales wrote:
The problem with it being on 1 foot - and you can confirm this easily, it'll
usually just see 1 foot going down. Normally it would see impact of each
foot going down, which is what it's trying to measure.
That is not exactly the case. On a wrist worn tracker your feet do not need to move at all to count steps. You can stand perfectly still in one place and swing your arm forward and back, and for each arm swing the tracker will count two steps just as if both feet had moved forward one step each. This is frequently discussed in posts about people cheating on challenges.
01-08-2017 10:40
01-08-2017 10:40
01-09-2017 07:48
01-09-2017 07:48
When I was usingu one it was clipped to my sports bra and I never had a problem
01-13-2017 06:24
01-13-2017 06:24
II do enter manualy it dose not give me a place to log the info that the elliptical give me at the end of a workout.
05-22-2017 07:14
05-22-2017 07:14
I have a clip on for my shoe & it does not count my elliptical steps! I'm going to try clipping on my bra strap or in my waistband
05-22-2017 07:16
05-22-2017 07:16
Some ellipticals don't have moving arms....there are 2 different types at the 2 gyms I belong to.
05-22-2017 17:59
05-22-2017 17:59
Yup. I don't use the moving arms either. I still don't understand how one arm-swing equates to two "steps" but one ankle-swing does not. When I run (or elliptical), one leg-swing requires that the other has swung also, before this leg swings again. 'Splain it to me!
05-22-2017 18:57
05-22-2017 18:57
@Spyder95 wrote:Yup. I don't use the moving arms either. I still don't understand how one arm-swing equates to two "steps" but one ankle-swing does not. When I run (or elliptical), one leg-swing requires that the other has swung also, before this leg swings again. 'Splain it to me!
Because steps actually don't have anything to do with arms swinging, but rather impacts.
When on the arm, it's actually trying to discern impacts despite the swing, and it can see both feet hit usually.
You can time your arm swing in such a way as to reverse direction right as foot impact occurs, and impact won't be seen.
You can also cross your arms and walk and steps are seen still. Or death grip grocery cart and no impact steps seen.
That's why elliptical and spin bike isn't considered step-based for those types of trackers. The steps seen, even if you got an accurate count, have no corresponding distance that has any relation to the formula used to calculate calories from distance.
You can do elliptical in such a way as to be very close to spin bike - meaning 1 foot down might be seen, or in such a way to see even less impacts.
And side-point, putting it on your ankle is even a worse idea unless truly running, because it can see the impact of each foot then.
But walking, with one foot on the ground while other impacts, usually causes half the steps to be seen.
05-23-2017 17:52
05-23-2017 17:52
05-23-2017 19:16
05-23-2017 19:16
@Heybales wrote:Because steps actually don't have anything to do with arms swinging, but rather impacts.
When on the arm, it's actually trying to discern impacts despite the swing, and it can see both feet hit usually.
Steps actually have a lot to with arm swings - if you walk at a normal pace, as your left foot goes forward so does your right arm, and as your right foot goes forwards so does your left arm. This how the body balances during walking.
The wrist-worn tracker is not trying to "discern impacts", the accelerometer in it is detecting movement. Try simply standing in one place, without moving your feet or body in any way, and swing your arm forward and backward as if walking normally, and you will find that you wrist-worn tracker will count 2 steps for each swing of the arm. There is no impact needed, just the accelerometer detecting the movement.
05-23-2017 19:21
05-23-2017 19:21
@MBP666 wrote:Some ellipticals don't have moving arms....there are 2 different types at the 2 gyms I belong to.
If the machine does not have moving arms, it is most likely not an elliptical, but a Stair Stepper or Stair Climber.
05-23-2017 20:32
05-23-2017 20:32
@Spyder95 wrote:
If this device can detect foot impacts from the wrist, then it can detect the foot impact from the other ankle. The whole body transmits the shock.
Thanks, Eric
Whole body transmits some tremors perhaps - but not enough impact to do any math with if it's on right ankle say with right foot on the ground while the left foot impacts from walking.
It's also trying to take out any false steps - which if it saw any deceleration at all from impacting foot, it would likely count as that.
In fact they have used the motions aspect to attempt to guess your workout on some models.
Interesting results some people find there.
05-23-2017 20:46
05-23-2017 20:46
@USAF-Larry wrote:
@Heybales wrote:Because steps actually don't have anything to do with arms swinging, but rather impacts.
When on the arm, it's actually trying to discern impacts despite the swing, and it can see both feet hit usually.
Steps actually have a lot to with arm swings - if you walk at a normal pace, as your left foot goes forward so does your right arm, and as your right foot goes forwards so does your left arm. This how the body balances during walking.
The wrist-worn tracker is not trying to "discern impacts", the accelerometer in it is detecting movement. Try simply standing in one place, without moving your feet or body in any way, and swing your arm forward and backward as if walking normally, and you will find that you wrist-worn tracker will count 2 steps for each swing of the arm. There is no impact needed, just the accelerometer detecting the movement.
Try looking at what it thinks the distance was for those "steps" - go ahead and swing your arms long enough just like you would for a long stride fast pace walk, with no leg movement as you suggest.
Now hug your chest and go walk a known distance you've observed it's correct with, when doing normal arm swinging walking. Or put the device on belt not jiggling to remove arms altogether.
I and others have already done such tests, like taking the wrist models and putting on belt clip - where there is obviously no arm swing to deal with, only impacts. And same accuracy is there, usually better.
If you read up on the chipsets involved in the accelerometer they get into the stats on what they can do, and the newer ones do all the math onboard as opposed to earlier models outputting the figures for another chip to do math with. Fitbit or whoever can still put their custom formula's in that single chipset. And the accelerometer is indeed used to determine hang time between impacts to attempt to determine walking or running, and likely distance of stride for running besides just expected impact which can workout good enough for walking.
New attempts are to figure out hills, up and down - but still not good to getting a grade to calculate increased calorie burn with that.
When I used the term "steps" with arm swings - I meant Fitbit "steps" not literal steps which obviously have some arm motion involved - unless you are Raquel Welch walking on NYC streets. 😉
07-19-2017 12:19
07-19-2017 12:19
This does not account for correct steps made. 30 minutes of head Eliptical activity is only showing less than 1 Mile on Fitbit but it was actually 3 miles of work on the Elipitcal. There is no option to put this on the dashboard .
How exactly is this a work around
12-05-2017 04:29
12-05-2017 04:29
I have a Flex 2 & thought the same thing. Since my main forms of exercise are elliptical & stationary bike I thought it was worth a try to put it on my ankle with the larger strap. The Flex 2 is very inconsistent-I’m not sure how it’s calculating pace but it’s different every time.
I assume that for elliptical & stationary bike applications probably a Fitbit with HR detection would work better.
12-05-2017 06:26
12-05-2017 06:26
I moved to HR some time ago and trust me . It's the same unfortunately