Log Activity recording

[Sultanmerchant]

I put 36 minutes on the treadmill for 2.35 miles

I recorded this on the Activities page and it increased my total steps to 8000 because it "double counted" and showed total miles walked as 3.82 miles which was correct

So I erased this as steps should not have got counted  and did it again. This time it did not count the steps thankfully so there was no "double dipping" but it showed total miles for the day as 2.14 miles when it should have been 3.82 miles

Is there not a way to record on the activities log that does not count the steps when on tradmill but accurately reflect the total miles walked to that point in time??

Any help provided would be much appreciated

Sultan Merchant

CANADA

[SunsetRunner]

If you are going to log an activity involving steps, it is best to take off the tracker during the activity.

[Heybales]

Are you sure the time stayed the same if you went in to edit it.

Whenever I edit an entry, it defaults the time to am in the edit screen.

If I add my mileage now, and forget to change that, I get more miles since the Fitbit time was not replaced.

I'm betting that's what happened, might check. Because indeed, whatever you log should manually over-write whatever Fitbit came up with - allowing you to wear it and compare later.

Like lawn mowing will be off, unless self-propelled mower and you really are gentle walking. But it can't tell if you are pushing that 30 lb mower, so bad calorie count. But steps will be correct. So don't enter steps or mileage, only calories.

Always works for me - when I remember to edit that stupid time.

[Sultanmerchant]

I reset the time.i do not enter steps just mileage Will stop adding mileage and see what happens

[slysam]

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I recorded this on the Activities page and it increased my total steps to 8000 because it "double counted" and showed total miles walked as 3.82 miles which was correct

So I erased this as steps should not have got counted  and did it again. This time it did not count the steps thankfully so there was no "double dipping" but it showed total miles for the day as 2.14 miles when it should have been 3.82 miles

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I really don't like logging walking when I wear my Fitbit because it changes the step count. It isn't doubling though in my experience. It is changing the step count based on the distance you entered. I am not exactly sure how it determines steps from the distance, I think it may be based on your stride length settings as I usually see a step change if walking or running are logged but not always. When you deleted your logged activity it would have restored the fitbit counted steps and distance.  If you logged your activity for AM when it was PM (it defaults to AM if you open or edit the record so you ahve to change it back) that would also add steps. Logging without a distance should help assuming you are logging for the correct time. 

[Sultanmerchant]

Thank you...I just got off the treadmill recoded time and calories and it seems to have worked...of course will try a couple of times to make sure that it does work

[TandemWalker]

Hi @Sultanmerchant - What you're describing in your original post is precisely the reason I never wear my One tracker when working out on gym equipment, even for workouts that are step-based (treadmills) or partially step-based (ellipticals.)

I log all such workouts manually and in doing so, I get the full credit for those workouts, which I'm able to follow over time and check my trends. If I was to wear my One tracker while working on those machines, the steps automatically recorded by the One would pollute my true step stats for daily walks and actual walk/jog intervals. In addition, upon booking the machine workout, the caloric burn credits would be split between what was already earned by steps, with the remained against the activity. Personally, I don't like that. I want to see the full value of my workouts on treadmills, ellipticals, rowing machine, etc. And likewise, I want to see the true value of calories burnt from daily routine steps, walking and walk/jog workouts.

[Sultanmerchant]

Thank you for the info

[josephz2va]

I generally do not record any activity on the application itself. The problem with recording activities is it alters the realtime data stored and wouldn't be true to it's word. Like if I was going 4 MPH, but slowed down to 2 MPH rest points, then 4 MPH again. But I recorded it as straight 4, the realtime data would be altered and the calories would be incorrect.

I recorded them as Activity Record to avoid altering the data.

[TandemWalker]

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@josephz2va wrote:

I generally do not record any activity on the application itself. The problem with recording activities is it alters the realtime data stored and wouldn't be true to it's word. Like if I was going 4 MPH, but slowed down to 2 MPH rest points, then 4 MPH again. But I recorded it as straight 4, the realtime data would be altered and the calories would be incorrect.

I recorded them as Activity Record to avoid altering the data.

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Yes, but for those who prefer not to wear their One tracker while doing treadmill workouts, there is NO realtime data stored, right? And that's precisely what we want.

Why? Well, for one thing, a walking/jogging workout on a treadmill vs an outdoors/track workout are worlds apart, both in terms of stride lengths and caloric burn. After 30 min. or so on the treadmill, I'm done!  But I can do a walk/jog interval workout for 30-60 mintues, and still go out for a one hour bicycle run afterwards!

So for me, I want my trreamills and elliptical workouts to be captured independently of other walk/jog workouts and daily routine steps, because of the caloric burn value differential, which is even more important on ellipicals since the One would be totally oblivious to all the energy spent for upper body movement.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, I also readily agree that my approach to this is not for everyone; but for those who are like me, for those of us who are intent on maintaining the integrity of their step counts and want to capture their treadmill/elliptical workout independently and thus get the true value of those workouts, then I think you'd be well advised not to wear your One tracker for these workouts and log them manually.

[slysam]

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@TandemWalker wrote:

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Yes, but for those who prefer not to wear their One tracker while doing treadmill workouts, there is NO realtime data stored, right? And that's precisely what we want.

Why? Well, for one thing, a walking/jogging workout on a treadmill vs an outdoors/track workout are worlds apart, both in terms of stride lengths and caloric burn. After 30 min. or so on the treadmill, I'm done!  But I can do a walk/jog interval workout for 30-60 mintues, and still go out for a one hour bicycle run afterwards!

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What do you mean by no realtime data? If you make an activity record (using your sleep timer), when you sync your device there would be a record in your log that contains your fitbit counted: steps, distance, average pace, calorie burn and a minute by minute breakdown of steps, pace, calories burned. It also lists floors, but as you know you probably wouldn't gain many on a treadmill since it is using actual elevation change. I can see loggign the calorie burn if you are using high inclies though. I find most cardio machines estimate calorie burn considerably higher than my heart rate monitor though. 

[Sultanmerchant]

yikes, becoming confusing now....I just don't put in the miles as suggested and it does not double count!!!!

[TandemWalker]

@slysam- "What do you mean by no realtime data?"

As indicated earlier in this thread, I do not use my One when doing treadmills or elliptical workout - so in that context, there is NO realtime data and that's what I want. I prefer to log these workouts manually and get the full credit for that workout, instead having the caloric burn allocated between steps (automatically recorded by the One if I wore it) and the activity per se when I log it.

[Sultanmerchant]

Yes thank you for clearing that up.. I keep my Flex on but do not put miles in

[Heybales]

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@TandemWalker wrote:

Why? Well, for one thing, a walking/jogging workout on a treadmill vs an outdoors/track workout are worlds apart, both in terms of stride lengths and caloric burn. After 30 min. or so on the treadmill, I'm done!  But I can do a walk/jog interval workout for 30-60 mintues, and still go out for a one hour bicycle run afterwards!

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Stride length may be different, and depending on upkeep of treadmill and calibration ond lubricating the belt calories may be different.

But calories will actually match up pretty well on properly calibrated treadmills.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15570150 

Running required more energy (P < 0.01) for 1600 m than walking (treadmill: running 481 +/- 20.0 kJ, walking 340 +/- 14 kJ; track: running 480 +/- 23 kJ, walking 334 +/- 14 kJ) on both the track and treadmill.

(4.2 kJ is 1 calorie. Notice the energy expenditure on treadmill and track is almost equal.) 

That test Walking was 3.2 mph level for 1 mile for 19 min, calculation was 3.4 calories higher than tested 81 cal, or 4.2% higher. 
Running at 6.3 mph level for 1 mile for 9.5 min, calculation was 4.8 calories lower than tested 115 cal, or 4.2% lower. 

I agree that keeping a separate entry is nice, not only to see improvement or differences between workouts, but to confirm the daily non-exercise steps aren't decreasing, just because you are doing exercise.

But when you manually log a workout, and put in 0 steps, it does not over-write what Fitbit already had for that time, like the calorie or miles over-writes? What if you used 1 step?

[Sultanmerchant]

I do not own a One Step, my wife does , should find out from her how it works on treadmill

[Heybales]

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@Sultanmerchant wrote:
I do not own a One Step, my wife does , should find out from her how it works on treadmill

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At the least should confirm your stride length, since so easy to do there.

Walk at about 3.5 mph and get stride movement to average normal.

As soon as distance ticks over to new a new 0.1 mile distance, start counting each right foot landing.

(meaning, as soon as it goes from 0.3 to 0.4, start counting)

As soon as distance ticks over to next 0.1 distance, stop counting, double that number for total steps.

528 feet / steps = stride length.

Now get speed up to normal running pace and do the same thing.

Correct it in your personal settings under your weight.