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New Ionic stopped pairing after 2 days, won't reconnect

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I've read (most of) the gigantic "RESOLVED: pairing issues" thread. Brand new Ionic, with Android phone (Oneplus phone with up to date OS, all patches etc.) My Ionic worked fine at first but now won't pair and I'm at a dead end in terms of what to do (except return it, I guess).

 

Got the watch for Christmas. On Christmas day, I paired my Ionic, things seemed fine. Did the firmware update, installed fitbit app, created account, everything seemed OK. Didn't really fiddle with the watch or phone after that, it was sync'ing correctly, I was getting notifications on the watch, etc. No issues.

 

This morning, I looked at the app on the phone to check my sleep info, and it said it hadn't synced since 5PM the night before. 

 

I've done everything I can think of to get it to resync. Reset the watch several times, deleted the app and all bluetooth connections from my phone (including my car, headphones, etc to make sure there was no interference), Turned off all other nearby bluetooth devices, restarted bluetooth on my phone, restarted the phone, removed the Ionic from my fitbit account, turned everything off and back on again, factory reset the Ionic, etc. and so on.

 

Every time, without fail, when I try to add the Ionic back in via the app, it finds the Ionic, prompts me for the 4 digit code, and then the process stalls after I enter the code. It never makes it past that step, it just times out and prompts me to try again.

 

I'm beyond frustrated, this is a cool watch and I'm eager to use it. Right now it's a paperweight. Not a very good first impression of Fitbit for me.

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@bbarrera wrote:

@PeteG-1 wrote:

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The stack drivers are typically MUCH better on things like the Windows Phone, or the 6P, or the OnePlus, because they do minimal, if any, modifications to stock, and as such, they get the Microsoft  or Google (well tested) drivers, immediately. 


and for completeness, I'll add that iOS devices tend to be much better on things like BLE and BT. About three months ago Microsoft announced that Windows phone is dead for all practical purposes, and in any case it never had a complete BLE stack.

 

I've been working in the open-source software world for 10+ years, mostly embedded Linux, and own/use OSX/Windows/Android/Linux devices every day of the week. Personally I've seen fewer problems on OSX than on Windows, Android, and Linux. Some people have a weird religious-like bias against Apple, I like to use stuff that works well and I can buy 2nd hand and still have it covered by warranty.


This is true, but ONLY because iOS has a very limited ecosystem.  If either Google or Microsoft were to 100% lock down their h/w to 2-4 models, and all the corresponding chipsets, and prevent almost any utility-level privileged software from running, they'd have the same degree of "stableness" more or less (iOS has its issues, but far less, because of the above).


I'm one of those, maybe not to quite a "religious-bias", but I hate the closed system, I really do, if I want to tweak something on my PC/laptop/phone/tablet/whatever, I pretty much know how to do it, safely, and I don't see the point of blocking users, given enough "disclaimers", first.  

I don't want to have to install/use a full development environment to do it, except in extreme cases.

I taught myself to code on a Sinclair and Apple II, way back, so I have somewhat of a soft-spot for the "old Apple", back when "tweaks and mods and dis-assembly" was downright the norm/encouraged.  There were several magazines even, dedicated to discussions of 6502 assembly tips/tricks, and how to link between machine and user-level code (much like an IoCtl, in Windows).

I broke from this, in the mid-80s, when Apple decided to take the stance they did, and they are showing no signs of ever wanting to give on this topic, so I've pretty much written them off.

I won't work on people's cell phones, or other iOS devices, they just end up annoying me, when I know I just need to see a few file-system config files or similar, but I'd have to basically become a developer, to finish the fix (or tell them they were going to need to reset).

I'm not opposed to people owning them, but I often ask, "why did you choose that iOS device", and I'd say I get a 'knowledgeable answer" about 5-10% of the time.  If I ask someone with an Android phone, or the WinPhones, those percentages are more like 40-50, and 60-70, respectively.  It's probably because I'm a techie, but I was NEVER one to buy stuff, because it was "the trend" or "cool thing" to do (okay, maybe I'd buy a goofy hat at the fair or something, but I don't think that counts ;-]).

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@Daybee8 wrote:

You all have lost me.  I just want this thing to work.  It actually was working pretty much all day (except I had to turn the bluetooth off a couple times and then it would work) but now I can't get it to sync to save my life.

 

I just bought a Samsung Galaxy S7 - I can't believe this thing would not have the BLE you are all talking about.  I have two other things connected to my bluetooth.  I may try unpairing them to see if it will start working.  However, I use the other two things that are connected daily so not sure that will be of any help.

 

How can FB not know this is happening?

 

 


@Daybee8 Have you tried resetting just your network-stack?  It's under Settings->Backup&Reset (on most Android, but it should be pretty easy to find), it's usually denoted as "Network Settings Reset".

This resets ALL the radio stacks, WiFi, Cellular, Bluetooth, NFC, the works.  You do have to reconnect and re-pair things after, but if you have a latent network issue, it can help (and it's much easier than a full factory reset).  When I do a "network reset", I also do a "system cache reset", you can search on that phrase and there'll be a bunch of videos, it's a pre-boot Android thing, and relatively easy once you see the video.

 

The problem with the S7, or any other high-volume, carrier-customized device, is that there are a TON of variants.  Samsung made 3 (4 if you count the note, which is gone now, the recall), including the Active.  Then they have some sub-variants, with various bands, for the carriers, mostly.

From here, each carrier modified those, which can amount to tweaking the cell radio, and much much more (bloat, tweaks for linkage into their apps, you name it). Some will tweak Bluetooth and WiFi too, to make it work better with their wearables (the ones they sell/profit from).

At this point, with a few basic carriers, we're talking 50-75 variants, possibly more.  There are other permutations, but this probably paints enough of the picture.

 

So, say your Fitbit tester gets an unlocked S7, and maybe one each, from high-market-share carriers, and a couple of others, maybe 5-10, depending on their lab layout.  

Remember, they have to do the same with a BUNCH of other phone OEMs, and variants, so they could very quickly have a lab of hundreds of phones, which is hard to "babysit" when testing.

Sure, they can do it, in theory, but it gets expensive, and slow, and cumbersome very fast, and tends to accumulate.  

Then, one carrier updates their S7 to Android N, while another leaves it on M.  Now you have to add new tests, most likely, for the N variants, and start tracking those too, and babysitting them differently.

At some point, unless you have unlimited $$, and available engineers to do all this sort of "fancy test work and debug" and more, you simply have to call it, say, "we're only going to test these 5 S7 variants", of the 157 out there.

Guess what happens when yours *isn't* one of those chosen, and there's a carrier tweak, those causes issues?  ;-]

We talk about it up here (or maybe your carrier site), and try to make them aware (I've only had one CS call with Fitbit, I wasn't exactly impress with the technical prowess, but I can be a bit overwhelming, coming from a s/w and h/w engineering background), so they'll see about getting that variant (a loaner or something), to see about fixing it.

Good luck, if the fix is your carrier pushing a firmware (OS, driver, whatever) fix, when they had never even intended to move to Android N, much less regularly update it.

It's a somewhat convoluted world out there right now, in this regard, the the key players are working on more modular solutions, it's just going to take time, like anything else.

 

Hopefully, through my long-winded explanation, I've clarified things, not muddied them further...

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I'm having the exact same problem and after reading all these comments I think the only solution is to return it.

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Chinababee, I'm hoping they can release a new firmware that fixes this.

 

The thing that gets me wondering whether it is actually a "buggy connection" issue is that it's not a typical intermittent issue like I've had with other BT devices over the years, where it comes and goes. It works 100% fine for a few hours (or a day) and then loses some functionality, which never comes back unless you factory reset. It's not like it syncs sleep data or allows apps to be loaded some of the time, it just never does at all once it "breaks." And even when broken, certain functions (notifications, steps) work just fine.

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Mine actually started telling me I was sleeping while I was working out...I didn't want to take the chance of not being able to get a refund so I returned it last night.
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Pete, that whole explanation is why I like manufacturer-direct phones with plain vanilla OSs that no third party has mucked up. I owned first and second generation iPhones back in the day, and one of my kids has a 6s, I just don't like the experience and prefer Android. Hence my OnePlus 3T. 

 

I have no religious devotion to or against Apple. My first computer was an Apple IIc and I've owned a few macbook pros recently, but just have a chromebook at home now. And a Surface at work. But that's a whole different tangent

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Yep, @dwizum, typically the unlocked, un-branded (never a carrier phone variant, to begin with) is a better bet.

Except, there are things like the S7 Active (Unlocked), which failed to be updated by the OEM, even after a couple of carriers had released (Nougat).  It's safer if you've got a purely non-carrier device, like the OnePlus, or a Nexus/Pixel type of device, where it's OEM-direct, for updates.

 

Yeah, I don't hold any grudges against Apple/iOS stuff, I just won't work with it, it's a giant pain, when something goes wrong, since you can barely access any real logs, use a utility, etc.  

PC and Android stuff is pretty easily diagnose-able/debug-able, but not iOS.  I suppose you don't have as many cases to do so (due to the lack of variants, and tight OS control = more stability), but not having any freedom over your device (without extreme measures) is hard to take, IMHO.  Freedom always comes at some cost, but I'll take it, almost every time ;-]

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Another update. I had it working for about 36 hours after the latest reset, but then it stopped. This is longer than other attempts, I was getting excited. I turned off Discoverable on my phone and was wondering if that was helping. Bot now it totally stopped syncing, wasn't even dong the partial sync it was doing the prior times where it was still showing updated steps but not sleep, etc.

 

I tried dropping the Ionic from my phone's bluetooth and re-adding it, and on the phone I got a prompt that it couldn't re-add the Ionic because of an incorrect PIN. This is a totally new and different error. I dropped the Ionic from the fitbit app and tried re-adding it there, and it claims it finds the Ionic but then won't connect to it.

 

Super frustrating...

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Oh. My. God. This is way to expensive to not work at all! Mine shows that a "firmware update is available" so, I click on it to do the update and nothing happens, except my blood pressure rising. I cannot connect to my wi-fi, I cannot sync and, on top of that (I began set up last night) it shows that I already have around 55,000 - yes, thousand - steps. So, unless my cat who runs around all night put it on and replaced it on the charger before I got up did it, I don't know WTF it's doing! I have no idea where to go from here...except to return it and go back to my good old Flex. 

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I finally got it going again...I had to do a full reset, removed on every device, etc. Phew...

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@jch955 wrote:

I finally got it going again...I had to do a full reset, removed on every device, etc. Phew...


Yeah, I think they hose the BT Multipoint implementation on the Ionic.  Not surprising, maybe, sort of, given that this is the first real device that would be a BT "server", for music and what-not.

I've been recommending that people reset their phone/tablet/whatever BT stack, and that seems to fix most of the issues, as long as they don't connect the "serving device" again, such as a pair of earbuds, for music.

Hopefully the many issues of the Ionic are being readily reviewed; I tend to agree, my Charge2 is a lot easier to use, maybe not nicer, but if I can't simply depend on "core functionality" (see my thread about auto-start), what's the point, really, if it's got a fancy display...

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So mine seems to be working again and I haven't done anything with it.  I told my DH two nights ago that I was going to delete the device and un-install everything and then try to reinstall it from scratch.  I planned on doing it the next day and then it started syncing again.  Over 24 hours now.  I noticed it doesn't sync if I try to sync it too quickly after the last sync.  So if I wait about an hour, it has just kept working.  I'm not going to get too excited, though.  Once I hit a week with it working correctly, than I'll be excited.  My text notifications are working as well.  Again, I did nothing to it.  Not sure why it started working.

 

So I'll keep you all updated. 

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I've managed to have 3 days in a row with no issues. I don't want to jinx myself but I'm starting to get hopeful.

 

I did another factory reset after my last post and made two changes, just documenting here in case it helps anyone. Per above, I have turned off the Discoverable setting on my phone. I've left this off. Secondly, I turned off the Always Connected function in the fitbit app (but left on the All Day Sync function). Having Always Connected turned on or off doesn't seem to have impacted battery life or functionality of notifications or anything else.

 

I don't know if either of these have made a difference or if my Ionic is just randomly staying connected most of the time now but I had seen these tips mentioned in other threads so I thought I'd try them.

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@dwizum - where is the "Always connected" located in the FB app?  I see All-Day Sync but not Always Connected.  Also, when you say you turn off Discoverable setting on your phone, do you mean you have your Bluetooth turned off?

 

Just FYI - mine is still working.  Sometimes it's still a bit temperamental, but all in all, it is syncing ok.  I sent an email to Tech Support and gave them this thread, they said they are looking into it and are aware of the problems.

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Screenshots of the settings. Bluetooth is on but Discoverable is set off, so the phone isn't constantly advertising its presence. The setting I mentioned in the fitbit app is on the same screen as All Day Sync but you have to scroll to the bottom. 

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@dwizum- thank you.  If I start having problems again I will do this.  So far mine seems to be ok.  It's been 3 days and it's still syncing although a few times it did not.  I'm happy with what its doing right now.  🙂

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Same for me - a few times a day it still claims it can't sync, but then it does within a few minutes, or an hour. I'm not having the days-long outages I was before that resulted in partial syncs and (apparently) required a factory reset to recover from.

 

Again though, this has only been the last 3 days, so I'm not exactly satisfied that the issue isn't going to come back any minute now...

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I get "partial syncs" pretty often, and I have what I would call a pretty reliable BT setup (until yesterday, a Win update nuked my Qualcomm driver, it's blocking it from loading now, based on a "firmware error", really?).  

My partials usually just reset though, the app tries another time or two, and either gets the rest of the partial (not sure if FB does a good job of managing partial data), or does a full sync.

I had that "Always Connected" on, at one point, and it was a headache.  Not only did it drain the battery, on both devices it was connected to, but it was exclusively connected to that device, unless it became "unavailable", sort of headache if say your tablet in the next room was that device, but you want to change some FB settings, on your PC.  FB is going to have to do some intensive investigation on multipoint connections, if you ask me.

 

They REALLY need to review their continuity, between apps too, and FIX this.  Trying to figure out if "All day sync" is the same as "Always Connected", or why you can't change an exercise shortcut, based on what app/platform you're on, is a nightmare.

Good luck trying to explain to a completely non-tech user why they can't adjust their exercise intervals, on one specific platform, or why the UI is different for the same operation, on several different devices...

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...aaaaaand it stopped syncing again this morning. Tried the official "turn off bluetooth/disconnect/etc" troubleshooting with no luck. I am assuming that yet another factory reset would get it going again, but I'm going to let it go "broken" for a few days and see if it magically recovers on it's own.

 

If it doesn't, well... I've been spending a lot of time on the Garmin website doing product comparisons.

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THIS MUST GET FIXED!!! Again, NO sync!!!  Now can’t even get it to add to my ap!  It’s my BEST part of a workout to SEE it on my tracker!  I have spent HOURS on this 

 

SAD DAY- going to use my Blaze tomorrow so I can TRACK my workouts. This is SO wrong! 

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