Restless sleep is also sleep

[MaHiAa]

Hi I am using the Ionic on a patient that has sleeping problems.

He has sleeping problems at night and acute sleeping issues during the day. The night recording seems to be fine. But when he falls a sleep during the day, it is more like he passes out and goes through many stages and there's definitely REM going on the FITBIT tracker tracks in de sleeping time line exactly NOTHING!
Why?

Is it because daytime the recognition of sleep is more critical.
If I sleep during daytime it mostly tracks / records something.

This patient goes very sudden a sleep like in 3 minutes. Than becomes physically quite active like (restless) shaking, tensioning all of his body and 'swimming around' for 5 til 10 minutes, than goes into deep sleep for like 1-3 minutes (not moving at all) and that alternates with REM periods. I can see the eyes rapidly move so there's no doubt this is happening.
This all becomes slower in 40 minutes than he will like normal sleep for another 40 minutes.
Is there any way to force the Ionic into sleeping modus?

Is there any App doing this better ?

Would be a great help for this patient and doing research in a direct and cost effective way.

Thanks MaHiAa

[WavyDavey]

---

@MaHiAa wrote:

Hi I am using the Ionic on a patient that has sleeping problems.

He has sleeping problems at night and acute sleeping issues during the day. The night recording seems to be fine. But when he falls a sleep during the day, it is more like he passes out and goes through many stages and there's definitely REM going on the FITBIT tracker tracks in de sleeping time line exactly NOTHING!
Why?

Is it because daytime the recognition of sleep is more critical.
If I sleep during daytime it mostly tracks / records something.

This patient goes very sudden a sleep like in 3 minutes. Than becomes physically quite active like (restless) shaking, tensioning all of his body and 'swimming around' for 5 til 10 minutes, than goes into deep sleep for like 1-3 minutes (not moving at all) and that alternates with REM periods. I can see the eyes rapidly move so there's no doubt this is happening.
This all becomes slower in 40 minutes than he will like normal sleep for another 40 minutes.
Is there any way to force the Ionic into sleeping modus?

Is there any App doing this better ?

Would be a great help for this patient and doing research in a direct and cost effective way.

Thanks MaHiAa

---

It sounds from your post like the person has very abnormal sleeping patterns. In order to identify sleep, the fitbit has to make some assumptions. Outliers, as this person obviously is, may not be detected and identified.

What really concerns me is you appear to be using a fitbit for medical and research purposes. The watch is not designed for that, nor is it medically certified for that use. To ask it do that is far beyond what it was designed to be--which is a fitness tracker and general health monitor. You didn't identify whether you are a researcher or doctor, so I apologize if this is information you already know.

[MaHiAa]

Thanks fot your reply Dave.

It was obvious to me the Fitbit has to make assumptions. That's why I like to know if there's is a way to help the FitBit to go in sleeping modus.

As for research and medical use don't worry, these test are already done in a hospital.
We like to use it only for helping the patient to adjust their behaviour for what we have seen in the real tests. So it's for self monitoring not for medical use.

So my questions remain the same,

how can people with non standard sleeping patterns still measure approximately what is going on in their sleep? No problem if a helper needs to set the watch before so we can skip the detection/assumption problem. They could profit from simple use of the FitBit.

Thanks!

Marc