10-07-2017 05:41
10-07-2017 05:41
I thought it might be useful to explain why someone like me needs the ability to reply to messages on a smartwatch. I'm not sure what whoever it was who made the decision not to include this was thinking, but I hope that they are realizing that this was a pretty big fail. I can imagine that the whole former Pebble team that was brought on argued for it, only to be condescendingly dismissed by some clueless suits. Okay, so I have an active imagination....
Anyway, for starters, I currently wear both a Pebble Time and a fitbit Charge HR. I'm a tour guide by trade, and take people all over the western United States. Sometimes, a lot of the times, actually, I also have to double as the driver, which means I can be behind the wheel six to eight hours a day. It's etiquette in our industry not to be standing around, messing with our phones, because even though it might be job-related, it conveys the impression that we are not paying attention to our guests. Additionally, it is illegal in most states to be messing with your phone while you're driving, and even without that, it's a great way to get into an accident, which means both physical and professional death in my industry.
As pertaining to messaging, I get probably close to fifty a day, about half of which can be work-related. While I'm driving, the ability to send or reply to a canned message quickly and discreetly with the push of a button protects the safety of my guests as well as letting the tour company/travel agency/optional activity provider/hotel/colleague/family member/friend know that I have received their message and that we are on the same page. I don't need to stop the car and pull out my phone, which means that we arrive alive and on time.
It's the same at venues, sans the safety factor. I can reply to a message while appearing to remain engaged in the activity at hand, and there's the added benefit of appearing to be checking the time, which when seen by my guests on several occasions (especially when smartwatches were new and unknown) caused them to be mindful of the time themselves. I even overheard one of them say, "He's looking at the time, it must be about time to go."
The Charge HR has been great for tracking my activity, especially since we do a lot of hiking and walking in general. I topped 50,000 steps one day, and was more than happy to collect Cowboy boot badge with the cactus and buttes in the background. However, I don't need a GPS for this; I know where I am, and I otherwise work out in hotel fitness centers. The added accuracy doesn't make that much difference when you're at the same places all of the time.
My Pebble Time and my Charge are both pretty accurate with the step counts; at least, they more or less agree with each other. When Pebble announced the Pebble Time 2 with the heart rate sensor, I thought I might be able to ditch the fitbit and have a single device for all of it. With the buyout, I assumed the same thing, just thought I would have to wait a little longer. With all the press releases and hype, my hopes were high for the Ionic, but without messaging functionality, it just amounts to replacing the old device on my left wrist with a much larger, more expensive device that does only slightly more than the Charge.
Don't get me wrong; I'm excited about some of the changes. I would love to be able to launch a podcast from my watch to keep me awake while driving, and being able to sync my bluetooth phone earpiece to the Ionic means I won't have to throw away money on bluetooth headphones to be able to enjoy that. Thing is, other devices already do that, and I can message with them, so....
What I think I'll probably do is stick around here for a few more weeks and see what happens. My Charge is falling apart, but it still attaches to my wrist, so I'm not in a rush. My Pebble Time still works great, and should continue to work with Rebble for quite some time. If, within the next few weeks, the Ionic implements the ability to respond to texts, either with canned messages or with handwriting like the Apple 3, I'll probably pick one up; otherwise, my phone is Samsung, and they make a pretty good health tracker that can message, so I'll give them a harder look.
I really don't know how fitbit could have missed with messaging functionality, but man, what a HUGE miss.
10-12-2017 15:34
10-12-2017 15:34
Ability to run 3rd party apps.
Aria, Fitbit MobileTrack on iOS. Previous: Flex, Force, Surge, Blaze
10-12-2017 15:38
10-12-2017 15:38
@Escodaiichi wrote:I'm starting to wonder what makes the Ionic any more of a smart watch than the Charge 2. I don't see any features that warrant calling it one....
Really? Have you read the product descriptions of both products?
Ionic has that Charge 2 doesn't-- has GPS, swim support, spO2 support, apps that can be added, NFC chip, on watch music (which few competitors have), on-watch coaching, weather, cues, adjustable brightness and vibration, bluetooth headphone support, robust SDK, . And that's just off the top of my head....
I'm not sure how you could classify the Charge 2 as a smart watch, but not the Ionic?
10-12-2017 16:07
10-12-2017 16:07
@Escodaiichi wrote:I'm starting to wonder what makes the Ionic any more of a smart watch than the Charge 2. I don't see any features that warrant calling it one....
You could be right, but I’ll reserve judgement until I see what developers do with it. I’m working on my own app right now, and it’s going well. I just need a few more hours in the day. I’m using a friends watch. I’m waiting until the software kinks are ironed out before I get one.
10-12-2017 16:34
10-12-2017 16:34
I am with you guys who don't want to reply on my wrist. I hardly want to reply on my phone..... And I guess I am a rare person who has NEVER used a "canned" reply. If I am not available, I just don't reply until I can. I don't understand the need to immediately reply that you are not available and will reply later..... Just reply later.
No product will ever be 100% for 100% of customers. Sounds like original poster would be happier with a Blaze. Still no replies to messages, but the Blaze has no GPS and is $100 cheaper.
10-12-2017 17:14
10-12-2017 17:14
From smartwatch point-of-view, the big differences between Blaze and Ionic:
- Ionic has 3rd party apps
- Ionic has Fitbit Pay
- Ionic lets you load your music (or Pandora stations) and play via Bluetooth headphones
There is other stuff, mostly activity/health/fitness like GPS, but that isn't smartwatch stuff. I think Charge 2 is the real sweet spot for value right now. If you are Fitbit fan and thinking of upgrading then Ionic is the future with some near term growing pains. I'd pass on Blaze, given Fitbit CEO statements about rolling out Fitbit Pay to other devices.
Aria, Fitbit MobileTrack on iOS. Previous: Flex, Force, Surge, Blaze
10-12-2017 17:16
10-12-2017 17:16
I was ready to buy one but when i saw all the issues i shopped around and was surprised to see many watches / trackers that do a whole lot more at a similar price.
I'll might try the gear s3 or wait for the s4.
I'll still use fitstar though.
10-12-2017 17:33
10-12-2017 17:33
The original post said he could do without GPS or the fitness stuff..... So that screams Blaze for the value with the color screen.
I gather though, that his real issue was canned replies, and no fitbit will do that.
10-12-2017 18:11
10-12-2017 18:11
I realize I’m in the minority here, but I really don’t care about notifications. For me the smart watch killer app is fitness tracking. I’m going to buy an Ionic for the sleep tracking and fitness features. I do wish fitbit had a dedicated triathlon app, but that might come from a third party. One thing I picked up from performance testing athletes in grad school is sleep is the ultimate recovery and as important as diet and training. Fitbit is the best, right now, at sleep tracking.
10-12-2017 20:09
10-12-2017 20:09
@datalore love your enthusiasm, FWIW I’m getting ready for a major ride next month and this week have 5 hours of training already over 3 days Mon-Wed. No sleep tracking required, I can’t stay awake past 9:30pm. If you put in the work it’s not about tracking sleep, it’s about scheduling hard workouts and recovery days. And constantly juggling the scheduling challenges of work, family, and training.
My 2 cents, hope that helps and if not we can agree to disagree.
Aria, Fitbit MobileTrack on iOS. Previous: Flex, Force, Surge, Blaze
10-13-2017 03:03
10-13-2017 03:03
@bbarrera believe it or not I think you're right. We don't even really need fitness trackers, we just need to eat and train. I like to chart data, just the way I'm wired.
10-13-2017 14:19
10-13-2017 14:19
@datalore I like charting data too, but learned to focus on the stuff that matters like my performance management chart (random google) that keeps me progressing without overtraining. Lots and lots of charts and data over here!
Aria, Fitbit MobileTrack on iOS. Previous: Flex, Force, Surge, Blaze
10-13-2017 14:26
10-13-2017 14:26
While i can appreciate that some people will want the ability to reply to messages on the ionic i certainly hope this is resolved through 3rd party app support and not built directly into the Fitbit and here's why.
Although some people are able to use a smart watch int heir job there are others.. like myself where DPA is a massive thing.
People like myself specifically bought a Fitbit because of its LACK of ability to reply, if they add the ability to reply to messages to the ionic then mine becomes a total waste of money that i will return because i wont be able to wear it for over 8 hours a day while in work.
There are many other devices - Android wear, Garmin, Apple watch that all offer these features but i personally purchase Fitbit because i get the best fitness features without all the added smartwatch garbage that i dont need or want.
I bought the ionic as a fitness watch with added features and i personally hope it stays that way, otherwise its no different to all the other smartwatches on the market and then Garmin is a cheaper and more fully featured product.
10-13-2017 14:44
10-13-2017 14:44
@bbarrera wrote:@datalore I like charting data too, but learned to focus on the stuff that matters like my performance management chart (random google) that keeps me progressing without overtraining. Lots and lots of charts and data over here!
Yes, another data nerd! I create my own charts in C# and hope to create one for triathlon Athenas and Clydesdales on the new ionic. I'm decent at Javascript, so hope I'll have something soon. I have to use a friends watch because the emulator isn't ready yet, and I'm not getting an ionic until the kinks are worked out. Man are you talking my language charts and data. Yes, I was real popular in high school.
10-13-2017 14:59
10-13-2017 14:59
@WavyDavey wrote:
@Escodaiichi wrote:I'm starting to wonder what makes the Ionic any more of a smart watch than the Charge 2. I don't see any features that warrant calling it one....
Really? Have you read the product descriptions of both products?
Ionic has that Charge 2 doesn't-- has GPS, swim support, spO2 support, apps that can be added, NFC chip, on watch music (which few competitors have), on-watch coaching, weather, cues, adjustable brightness and vibration, bluetooth headphone support, robust SDK, . And that's just off the top of my head....
I'm not sure how you could classify the Charge 2 as a smart watch, but not the Ionic?
He is saying neither is a smart watch I think. The Charge 2 is just a fancy fitness tracker.
In the end I returned mine because I realized I want support for calendars and SMS from 1st party with 3rd party options. The issue with relying on 3rd party for everything is support can be much more hit or miss and every update to the OS the app could break.
10-13-2017 15:05
10-13-2017 15:05
@Escodaiichi wrote:I'm starting to wonder what makes the Ionic any more of a smart watch than the Charge 2. I don't see any features that warrant calling it one....
Dude, I think you are missing the point here, much like with the pebble, the original pebble did not have reply, then a 3rd party developer did it, then it got incorporated into the new OS update.
I already have two new "apps" running on my Ionic, that is why it is a smart watch. These were customized and loaded through the developers bridge, that will never be possible with the Charge 2.
An open environment means when the app store opens there will be some variety.
10-13-2017 15:10
10-13-2017 15:10
What are your new apps you are talking about?
10-13-2017 20:27
10-13-2017 20:27
In all due respect, your post come off as entitled.... In no way did fitbit advertise there was going to be an option to respond to text. What you did with your post is the equivalent to expecting the holy Grail for less of investment.... I've owned an apple smart watch and the ionic blows it away as a fitness device. My advice to you if you place such importance on being able to respond to text with voice commands is get in line with the other apple sheep.
10-13-2017 21:55
10-13-2017 21:55
@johneric8 wrote:In all due respect, your post come off as entitled.... In no way did fitbit advertise there was going to be an option to respond to text. What you did with your post is the equivalent to expecting the holy Grail for less of investment.... I've owned an apple smart watch and the ionic blows it away as a fitness device. My advice to you if you place such importance on being able to respond to text with voice commands is get in line with the other apple sheep.
They did state though on their site that you could stay connected and outlines texts. It is pretty common with other smart watches you can respond from the watch.
Also calling someone entitled for asking for a feature is a little childish. Entitlement is also a negative word when in reality there would be an expectation to respond to texts if your going to get them on the device.
PS - android user here and have had an Apple watch in the past and it blows all the other competitors out of the water as much as I hate it.
10-13-2017 22:03
10-13-2017 22:03
Apple does not blow ionic away for fitness and that all that matters to me.... Also, entitlement is the same as expectation and we all know how that turns out, especially when your expectations aren't realistic considering the competition and comparable features. If the ionic was a better smart watch then the apple it would cost $399.. some people want their cake with extra sprinkles for the same price... It gets annoying and I'm sticking with my opinion.
10-14-2017 12:09
10-14-2017 12:09