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Always burn more than I eat, still gain weight

I've read a lot of forums across more than just the FitBit site that all say "it's as simple as burning more than you eat."  Well, I do.  I probably eat excessively one to two days per week but even then, I usually eat what I burn where all the other days I maintain a 100-700 calorie deficiency.  

 

In December, I had some medical issues in play where I couldn't eat enough to not lose weight.  Then suddenly, in the last week of January (so not over holidays or anything), my weight shot up by 16 pounds and has been moving up and down in an 8 pound range since then but never back down to where I was consistently from August to January.

 

You might think it is a new medicine I am on, but I have had this problem for years whenever I'm not on a medication that causes weight loss.  You might think it is a thyroid issues, but apparently my standard thyroid test comes out perfect (although that doesn't mean the more in-depth test would).

 

Any ideas?  It's incredibly depressing.

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are you weighing and measuring every bit of food ? are you double chcking numbers before you eat ... this is not possible to gain weight if you are really eating only what you are logging, and you are watching your activity level , and hitting the 10k a day...

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I even "over measure" my food and put it more calories. I round up just incase I am forgetting something. Typically I tediously mark it all down though. You'd think it was impossible but it happens to me all the time and happened to my Mom too.
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I just received my fit weekly summary.  I logged everything.  Every sip.  Every snack.  I'm approx 1600 calories under what I burned for the week and gained 3.8 pounds in 7 days.

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I had the same problem -- I was gaining at times 4.5 pounds a week though my deficit was averaging just over 800 calories a day. My doctor confirmed that it was pretty much impossible in my case and suggested it was water retention. I increased my water intake per his instructions and started losing 1.5 to 2.7 pounds a week.

 

My advice? Check with your doctor and look into water retention as a possibility.

 

HTH!

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Ty! I am having some heart issues and water retention is on the radar. After an echocardiogram, it was found that I had enough fluid in my lower aorta that my doc couldn't fathom how I didn't just drink 2 liters of water. For me, increased water intake doesn't flush it out or help me lose anything which may indicate a bigger problem that has to do with whether or not my kidneys are processing sodium. But all that aside, water retention is generally an extra 10 or so pounds and not compounding weight gain. It seems, no matter what I do or any time I have been on a diet at all that this happens. Ironically, if I stop tracking everything and just eat at-will, I maintain weight and don't gain. Explain that! I truly don't get it.
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FitBit is merely an estimate of your daily calorie burn.

 

It bases step based activity on weight and pace.

Non-moving is based on your BMR from gender, age, weight, height.

 

But if you have a decent amount of fat mass, your BMR may be slower than that for others your age, weight, height.

 

So Fitbit could have at least 1/3 to 2/3 of your day inflated by 200-300 calories, I've seen it that bad if bodyfat % is high.

 

Do you also weigh all the foods that go in your mouth, only measuring liquids?

Calories from food is based on weight, not volume. Measurements are there for your convenience, not accuracy.

Weigh everything, the whole package, your serving of it, ect, to be accurate.

That could have you eating more than you really are.

 

And confirm weigh-in day is valid, or you will see water weight fluctuations.

Only valid weigh-in day is morning after rest day eating normal sodium levels, not sore from last workout.

 

And always keep the math in mind.

You would have to eat 250 calories daily over your true maintenance to gain 1 lb slowly in 2 weeks.

Reread that.

And if lifting it won't even be all fat.

 

So yes that is water weight that shot up that fast is and going up and down that fast.

If it's not the med's, then you got something wild going on, because sodium is going to top out at 2-3 lbs if you really do eat a lot, and carbs stores with water are maybe 3 lbs max floating. But that is good water weight.

 

Could be the other direction too.

You log manually all non-step based exercise since Fitbit is underestimating that?

And you could be logging badly and way under reality too.

 

You could be really taking too great a deficit, and body has slowed down, become more metabolically efficient.

http://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/truth-about-metabolic-damage

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i_cmltmQ6A

 

Keep a reasonable deficit, which 100-700 is at least, if the TDEE and eating is decently accurate.

 

Caught your last comment - you can eat at will and not log and maintain.

If you are pretty sure you are eating more than normal, your system probably sped up, meaning your deficit is too big, and your TDEE is bigger than Fitbit thinks, and you are logging too little food.

 

You should really log what you eat during those times, and do a 2 week test eating even 250 than that. Only 1 lb gain possible if you were truly eating at potential maintenance.

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You may find the following an interesting reading from the Huffington Post:

 

What Is Metabolism: How Long After I Eat Is Weight Added To My Body?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/what-is-metabolism_n_1701547.html

 

Bottom line, it's more complicated than "it's as simple as burning more than you eat." 

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You say a lot of things that I have been considering and curious about myself. Like, maybe I'm at too high a deficit.

I chose a 500 cal deficit. I probably am at a 500-900 cal deficit twice a week and at a 100-500 cal deficit three more days of the week. Then spot on my daily overall burn or barely 100-200 cal over for the weekend. Technically the up and down should also keep my metabolism going.

I live in a city so I walk all the time. So, walking may not do as much for me as some. So I started walking further. I try to walk faster. I also have been doing power yoga classes that I do lot manually.

I don't ways scale my food but I weigh what I can. Those are areas I usually estimate over on - like any meat consumption.

Body fat percentage is certainly relevant. I've had it as high even when "skinny." I don't have a true, tested percentage as to what my % is now. But I'm not overly large. I have fluctuated from 113 to 132 over the last two months. 132 is out of my "health range" and since it is trending up, I feel it is better to take action now than when I'm well beyond manageable.

And I don't cook with salt. I don't eat any canned meats or vegetables. My exposure to salts due to preservatives is extremely low. Vegetables are more than 50% of most of my meals. It's the way I prefer it. I crave health. I share one or two sodas a week and never buy them on my own or order them in restaurants. I drink a lot of coffee but not all day, every day.

Any suggestions with this info?
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I'm not a nutritionist or a doctor, but someone who's going through the same as you and many others.  Since I started using my FitBit One just over a year ago, I lost about 40 pounds.  I now walk 50 miles a week in a hilly area in Colorado (6200 feet altitude).  However, I'm stuck at the current weight and not seeing much progress any more.  My diet is also low in sodium, never drink soda, and I cook nearly all my meals.  The last 10-15 pounds prove difficult to loose.  So now I'm drinking green tea daily to see if that helps any.  I found the following article:

 

Green Tea Fights Fat
Green Tea Ingredient May Promote Healthy Weight Loss
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050126/green-tea-fights-fat

 

I like tea, so this is not some burdensome experiment. 

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If you do decide to try green tea, the one I read about is "gyokuro."  It's from Japan and it's rather expensive.  I bough a bag from Teavana, but then I found a less expensive source at Adagio  ( http://www.adagio.com/green/gyokuro.html ).  You can soak the same leaves 2 or 3 times, though I'm not sure if that affects their efficacy.  Adagio gives you a $5 coupon, so that brings the price of a pound of tea down to $89 and you get free shipping.  If you soak the leaves twice, a pound should last a long time.  (Make sure you read the instructions on how to brew green tea, because it's different from brewing black tea--not more difficult, just different.)

 

I wish you the best.

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@Case13 wrote:
You say a lot of things that I have been considering and curious about myself. Like, maybe I'm at too high a deficit.

I chose a 500 cal deficit. I probably am at a 500-900 cal deficit twice a week and at a 100-500 cal deficit three more days of the week. Then spot on my daily overall burn or barely 100-200 cal over for the weekend. Technically the up and down should also keep my metabolism going.

I live in a city so I walk all the time. So, walking may not do as much for me as some. So I started walking further. I try to walk faster. I also have been doing power yoga classes that I do lot manually.

I don't ways scale my food but I weigh what I can. Those are areas I usually estimate over on - like any meat consumption.


Reasonable deficit is based on how much to lose to healthy weight.

How much you got to lose with the 500 cal deficit?

 

Up and down does nothing for metabolism, the energy required to digest food is the same no matter when you eat it. Besides, you maintaining an eating goal that ends at midnight isn't followed by the body which doesn't. Look at the weekly which it sounds like you do.

If you want true calorie cycling - eat the same amount daily, based on weekly TDEE average.

Some days exercise will take more off the top, some days none. The amount left over for normal body functions changes daily. That's better calorie cycling if you think useful. But your metabolism hums along just fine unless you eat too little for extended period, then it'll adapt down.

 

Walking burns the same no matter how efficient you are at it. The fact you walk all the time just means it's easier for your body to burn fat is energy for those walks and go farther, it feels easier. But you and someone your same weight that is totally out of shape will burn the same amount, but they'll burn more carbs since it's so difficult for them.

 

You should weigh for 2 weeks.

 

So just to add, if you were dead on accurate with how much you ate, and were not on an extreme deficit from potential TDEE that Fitbit is estimating, and you maintained your weight - then you are actually eating at TDEE.

The answer you don't know right now though - is that potential TDEE, or a suppressed TDEE you are eating at?

Could it be higher, making weight loss easier?

 

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0004377

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I really should start drinking more green tea. I just have such an attachment to my coffee! 🙂
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Have you ever tried the "skinny tea" that you can find in asian markets? The main component seems to be dandelion. It certainly speeds up digestion and there's a risk of dehydration if you use it too often. After I speak to a doctor, I will consider this as a "natural" source of a diuretic if that is the route the doc wants to go. But like others have pointed out here, even if it is a sodium/water weight issue, it shouldn't be gaining. Fluctuating, yes, but continual gaining, no. At least, that's how I understand some of these replies.
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Today, I have about 15 pounds to lose at a 500 cal deficit. Does that seem reasonable?

I understand what you're saying about metabolism being metabolism and calorie burn being calorie burn. Although, pretty much any health resource for a gym routine will explain that varying calories from day to day and switching up exercise is the only way to get off a plateau and continue to lose weight. That's where my info comes. Besides, the higher your heart rate, the more the fat burn. A little 3mph jaunt around town barely even raises my resting heart rate.

I'm not sure what my actual calorie intake should be. Based on a variety of apps and websites, I have been suggested everything from 900 to 1600 per day. FitBit is suggesting (with no exercise) around 1200 which pretty much means I snack on a few things during the day and eat only one actual meal (dinner).

I don't know how to tell if I should eat more or less to make this happen for me. I don't know if I should be switching up routine at all. It's very concerning to me because my body is entirely different. Even in times I have had a fluctuation before, it hasn't compounded into a continual weight gain. And even at the weight I am currently at, I have never looked so... out of shape. But, I'm in shape! That's why it doesn't make sense. I eat well. I eat right (mostly). I walk A LOT and exercise in addition to that.

All in all, I don't want to spend months with doctors trying to figure it out so I'd like any insight that people have into what I may be doing wrong or what may be happening. I've had enough medical run arounds that I've had to deal with over the years and especially in the last year. I don't want to make one more thing out of it.

The irony is that none of my medicine have a weight gain side effect, but one of them raises heart rate and should keep my metabolism buzzing for a near 12 hours even when I'm just sitting at my desk. I should be at least maintaining weight with this in my life. And yet... no.
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Hmm. I'm not sure I fully understood the analogy in this post. Either way, my "unhealthy" bouts of eating over Christmas or over my birthday shouldn't have manifested an entire month later even based on this post. And I have been "counting calories" on and off for years. My "off" moments of counting were never out of laziness but because some aspect of life put me in a situation where I needed to gain weight (usually some medication at the time).
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I drink lots of coffee early in the morning, then switch to green tea or oolong tea.  I don't add any sweeteners or anything else to my tea.  Will see if this helps.

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Let me know how it works!
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Hmm. I'm not sure I fully understood the analogy in this post. Either way, my "unhealthy" bouts of eating over Christmas or over my birthday shouldn't have manifested an entire month later even based on this post. And I have been "counting calories" on and off for years. My "off" moments of counting were never out of laziness but because some aspect of life put me in a situation where I needed to gain weight (usually some medication at the time).

You missed the point of the comments.

 

If you were eating more during those times and maintaining, then the current eating level which is less and also maintaining is obviously not your true maintenance.

 

Is it?

 

The question is, and sounds like you did NOT log what you ate during those times. But you think it was more. Trusting that, the point is your current eating level despite to gain or loss - is not your true potential maintenance.

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@Case13 wrote:
Today, I have about 15 pounds to lose at a 500 cal deficit. Does that seem reasonable?

I understand what you're saying about metabolism being metabolism and calorie burn being calorie burn. Although, pretty much any health resource for a gym routine will explain that varying calories from day to day and switching up exercise is the only way to get off a plateau and continue to lose weight. That's where my info comes. Besides, the higher your heart rate, the more the fat burn. A little 3mph jaunt around town barely even raises my resting heart rate.

I'm not sure what my actual calorie intake should be. Based on a variety of apps and websites, I have been suggested everything from 900 to 1600 per day. FitBit is suggesting (with no exercise) around 1200 which pretty much means I snack on a few things during the day and eat only one actual meal (dinner).

I don't know how to tell if I should eat more or less to make this happen for me. I don't know if I should be switching up routine at all. It's very concerning to me because my body is entirely different. Even in times I have had a fluctuation before, it hasn't compounded into a continual weight gain. And even at the weight I am currently at, I have never looked so... out of shape. But, I'm in shape! That's why it doesn't make sense. I eat well. I eat right (mostly). I walk A LOT and exercise in addition to that.

All in all, I don't want to spend months with doctors trying to figure it out so I'd like any insight that people have into what I may be doing wrong or what may be happening. I've had enough medical run arounds that I've had to deal with over the years and especially in the last year. I don't want to make one more thing out of it.

The irony is that none of my medicine have a weight gain side effect, but one of them raises heart rate and should keep my metabolism buzzing for a near 12 hours even when I'm just sitting at my desk. I should be at least maintaining weight with this in my life. And yet... no.

500 deficit is reasonable until you get to 10 lbs, then 250 is more reasonable.

 

But - your are taking med's - which means whatever your body is dealing with is already a stress. Lack of sleep, intense frequent exercise, and life in general, food sensitivities, ect can all add stresses.

Go too high and your body will adapt, usually down, and you no longer burn what you could.

 

So it could be 500 isn't reasonable with what your body deals with already.

 

Trainers are following bro-science if they follow those ideas, which means no studies have shown it - they are going on word of mouth and claims of others with nothing to back up their methods.

Switching up exercise is the silliest claim made big by the muscle confusion idea of P90X.

All that means is that when you start something new, you are usually inefficient at the movement, therefore you burn more calories trying to do it. Once you become efficient, you burn slightly less.

That really applies to stuff that are body weight and limited by pace or movement - like say Zumba or their program.But if you increase the weight, or make the pace faster, or the incline faster, then you just increased the calorie burn. There is no need to keep switching up routines thinking there is some inherent benefit to it, just increase the intensity of what you are doing and really get some benefit from it, and burn more.

If switching up routine causes weight loss from a plateau, it just means your are now burning more than you were - and eating less would have accomplished the same thing, or getting more intense with what you do.

The reason the calorie cycling is silly is because it takes 72 hrs for the body to really realize a change in intake such it has to deal with it. This is born out from fasting studies where metabolism actually went up in first 24-48 hrs, then starting coming back down.

So changing daily isn't doing anything except making planning more difficult.

If it floats your boat, go for it.

 

Your calorie intake should be 250-500 less than the TDEE that Fitbit estimates, and that is with manual corrections to exercise it is underestimating.

 

And no your body is not entirely different, sad to say you are not a special snow flake. The laws of thermodynamics apply to you too.

 

As well as what you can do to your body eating too little. Have you done that in the past, recent past, eating even less?

Because it could be you came to Fitbit with a messed up metabolism already.

 

And it's not that it won't work, but your estimates so far could be very off.

 

It's like the person that claims they gain weight eating 1200 calories.

But they fail to mention they fall off the wagon every weekend and eat in surplus 3500 calories total.

Their goal may be 1200, but they fail to always meet it, and every surplus is a fat gain.

 

Also, elevated HR doesn't mean big calorie burn from metabolism at all. HR has a correlation with calorie burn during steady-state aerobic exercise, where it beats faster to supply the required oxygen to burn the needed fuel.

And even that is not a direct link, because meds, dehydrated, caffeine, tired, ect can elevate the HR higher than the effort really needs it to be.

So higher at rest is exactly because of the meds, not because of increased metabolism. No correlation.

 

First, do you manually correct Fitbit exercise for stuff it is bad at calorie counts on, all non-step based exercise, like rowing, biking, lifting, ect?

 

Second, what is the corrected Fitbit TDEE then?

 

We know you have 500 cal deficit, which should be good.

You weigh all foods, or at least did so for 2 weeks to see how bad other methods are? That includes weighing packages.

 

Third, how long have you been doing a diet, except for those breaks you mentioned eating at who knows what level, and were you eating even less during that time, or tad more but exercising a bunch more?

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