09-19-2015 20:26
09-19-2015 20:26
In the last year and change I lost almost 50 lbs, reaching what I considered my "goal weight." I primarily used the costly but worth it Get In Shape for Women program, which combines nutrition with training and accountability. I avoided carbs (even whole grain) like the plague. I scaled back my plan with them 3 months ago.
In my current job I notice I need more "hearty" foods to keep away the "hungry horrors." I feel less hungry having an oatmeal square than 2 mini quiche muffins and a wheat wrap for lunch than salad only. That being said, I specifically pack healthy snacks to avoid hitting the vending machine. I am guilty of having pizza occasionally when the office has a free lunch.
I've gained back almost 10 lbs in the last three months and am very frustrated. I indulge very infrequently and do still workout 3-4 times per week. Does this mean I should never have any form of bread ever again? I remember a time that I maintained a healthy weight without this constant dieting, and I ate worse then!
Is there anyone out there that has lost weight and maintained it without "dieting" forever?
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09-20-2015 01:06 - edited 09-20-2015 01:08
09-20-2015 01:06 - edited 09-20-2015 01:08
Changing food habits and allowing everything your body desires, portions based on hunger.. noticing when getting satisfied not stuffed.
When reaching a healthy weight range it's easier to maintain when new food habits took over while having everything your body desires in the quantity it's asking for.
With dieting binge eating can happen on restricted foods for a longer time.
With dieting, it may not be possible for being so restricted and going back to old habits afterwards eating the same amount as before.. keeping in a dieting cycle..
When weighing less our bodies require less and less energy / calories for staying in the new weight range.
When changing to new food habits.. eating to nourish your body when feeling hungry until satisfied.. eating foods mostly provided by nature as minimal as processed only making feeling satisfied longer.. on less calorie overall, no needing for counting calories.. our body takes care of staying at a natural healthy weight range..
Having a a piece of cake, a cookie, even pizza is okay to have when eating healthier nutrient rich foods overall and being aware when your body has enough..
It can be happy with the whole pizza, being satisfied after eating one, two slizes.. no need for having more..
Enjoy
09-19-2015 21:06
09-19-2015 21:06
Welcome to the forums. And congrats on your success on the loss!
One of the problems with elimating certain foods seems to always back fire.
Reintroduce slowly dont bring them back all at once.
Plan your meals and add carbs back in but slowly.
Keep us posted
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09-20-2015 01:06 - edited 09-20-2015 01:08
09-20-2015 01:06 - edited 09-20-2015 01:08
Changing food habits and allowing everything your body desires, portions based on hunger.. noticing when getting satisfied not stuffed.
When reaching a healthy weight range it's easier to maintain when new food habits took over while having everything your body desires in the quantity it's asking for.
With dieting binge eating can happen on restricted foods for a longer time.
With dieting, it may not be possible for being so restricted and going back to old habits afterwards eating the same amount as before.. keeping in a dieting cycle..
When weighing less our bodies require less and less energy / calories for staying in the new weight range.
When changing to new food habits.. eating to nourish your body when feeling hungry until satisfied.. eating foods mostly provided by nature as minimal as processed only making feeling satisfied longer.. on less calorie overall, no needing for counting calories.. our body takes care of staying at a natural healthy weight range..
Having a a piece of cake, a cookie, even pizza is okay to have when eating healthier nutrient rich foods overall and being aware when your body has enough..
It can be happy with the whole pizza, being satisfied after eating one, two slizes.. no need for having more..
Enjoy
09-20-2015 05:15 - edited 09-20-2015 05:18
09-20-2015 05:15 - edited 09-20-2015 05:18
I read an article about calories not being the focus of weigh loss (see the link below). It's all about thermodynamics and how your body burns and conserves energy. Restriction of calories puts you body in a starvation mode and last thing it will burn is fat. So eating more fat is the place to start. Eating all day long, as we have been taught to do many small meals, is problem. I was impressed that fitbit used a ratio of fat being aroung 60% (good fats) and carbs and proteins being close to a one on one ratio which is what the "knowledgable" nutritions promote to day. But I have learned that is not enough. I follow Dr. Mercola, a homeopathic physician's web site, and he has for a long time promotted intermittant fasting. There are several ways to do this but I use the daily style that leaves a long period between dinner and my next meal which is lunch. If you are diabetic you can't jump into this right away particularly if you are Type 1. If that is the case you need to consult a good nutritionist to set up a transition plan. Once I started doing that I started to lose weight. I believe it reverved my metabolic syndrome / insulin resistance condition. If I have a bad few days my body is quick to rebound. You can search on his website for intermittant fasting eating articles. I am now just seeing other nutrition sites promoting the same thing Mercola has talked about for the past several years.
The article below goes into how we burn calories and talks about intermittant fasting as well. I found it helpful hope you do too.
09-20-2015 07:20 - edited 09-20-2015 07:21
09-20-2015 07:20 - edited 09-20-2015 07:21
Sounds to me that you are an endomorph like I am. In the eBook Burn the fat , Feed the Muscle (BFFM) the author Tom Venuto states that Endomorphs should only have one cheat "meal" per week. Whereas most folks are allowed one cheat "day" per week, we are not allowed that luxury.
Also cardio every day.
Enjoy
09-20-2015 08:00
09-20-2015 08:00
@SunsetRunner wrote:
With dieting, it may not be possible for being so restricted and going back to old habits afterwards eating the same amount as before.. keeping in a dieting cycle.
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Having a a piece of cake, a cookie, even pizza is okay to have when eating healthier nutrient rich foods overall and being aware when your body has enough..
This.
I ate Primal (Paleo plus dairy) and did really well on it. I felt great, lost weight and was able to build muscle.
But I noticed people dropping like flies after a while. Then they'd come back and try again. And again.
One of the problems was that it was so very restrictive - sometimes for good reason and sometimes not. And while I still believe it's a healthy way to eat, it's kind of like the question "What's the best exercise routine? The one you'll stick with."
Eating healthy and natural and nutritious foods 99% of the time means eating pizza and cake and a cookie or two every once in a while isn't that big of a deal.
09-20-2015 08:01
09-20-2015 08:01
A nutritionist I saw recently told me that to sustain any weight loss I achieve on this journey, I should not engage in any "dieting behavior" in the short-term unless I am willing to adapt to those changes permanently. So, I would not completely cut out carbs because I know it's not really something I can maintain forever. Yes, I'll lose weight a lot slower this time but I feel better about my odds of keeping it off.
09-20-2015 09:31
09-20-2015 09:31
I eat a low carb paleo diet (No dairy, no fruit except some berries, no grains, no legumes). I have maintained this for a decade or more. I have lost 107 pounds and have no trouble maintaining the loss. It is absolutely doable, at least it is for me. I even enjoy eating this way and do not feel deprived. I eat the same way now as I did when I was losing the weight, no diet just a changed way of eating.
09-20-2015 10:56 - edited 09-20-2015 10:57
09-20-2015 10:56 - edited 09-20-2015 10:57
Regarding what to eat, that could be discussed ad infinitum for days; Paleo, intermittent fasting, this, that and the other thing all work for some and not for others. Paleo, for example, is psychosocially restricting for some, while freeing for others. A good number of people physiologically thrive on it; others feel like crud and/or don't lose weight and/or see their lipid profile go upside down. Guidance about what and how to eat is mostly pointless. Everyone has to experiment and find out what works for them, and be ready to abandon a path quickly if it doesn't.
That all being said, there are two truths that I think address your question, which has a simple answer really: No. Assuming by "not dieting" you mean eating "normally" (big finger quotes there) like "everyone else" (more finger quotes).
These two concepts are why experts put so much emphasis on lifestyle change from the get-go. Why they repeat it like a drumbeat over and over again. Because as it is in so many different aspects of "recovery", there is no finish line. The work is forever.
09-20-2015 12:40
09-20-2015 12:40
becalec
Hi. I think that a new way of eating can not be considered dieting or we rebel. When we were younger our metabolism was faster and we didn't need to be so careful. Healthy fat from salmon, nuts and avocado help us feel full. I eat piles of veggies and some beans and that lasts a long time. Try and enjoy the journey, eat slowly so you can feel the fullness.
You have done a great job at weight loss so now it is about learning how to enjoy maintenance phase. It is a life long pattern of eating that we are seeking to get and stay healthy.
Barb
09-20-2015 12:58
09-20-2015 12:58
do not get frustrated about gaining the weight back. just keep up your workout.you need to spend only 153 miniutes per week to lose weighr. please go on a mediterranian diet in the meantime. you may increase your workout slowly to one hour per day upto three times a week.if you work out regularly then you may not feel like eating between meals.occassionally you can go off your diet and eat your favorite food and the desert as i do.in between meals ,try to eat nuts like almonds or pistacho nuts or pea nuts.try this and good luck,joseph
09-20-2015 13:50
09-20-2015 13:50
09-20-2015 14:13
09-20-2015 14:13
What I love about these forums is all the different experiences people share, but ultimately what works for persons one and two may not work for person three. I also lost the sixty excess pounds I was carrying several years ago; in 2005 I dropped from about 208-210lbs to my ideal weight of around 150lbs (I did often fluctuate five or ten pounds either way, but that's normal). I never counted, never measured, and therefore I never really learned the tools I needed to maintain.
Fast forward to now, I gained 100lbs back and I'm currently sitting a little over 250lbs. I developed sleep apnea and high cholesterol as a result of the second weight gain. I think anyone who is uneducated about proper nutrition should be encouraged to count and track. If you've been on the weight loss journey for a while and you're able to a) identify a proper portion by looking, b) identify all of the contents on a nutrition label, or c) have tools in place to manage your cravings and you're a very self-disciplined person who can continue without tracking ... I have the utmost respect for you.
There are far too many people who lack that self-discipline or self-control - for a myriad of reasons - who benefit from tracking what they consume.
Now, to be clear ... while I support continual tracking for those who need it I cannot in good conscience support perpetual dieting. Any good diet includes a "maintenace period," which teaches you to slowly re-incorporate foods you may have cut out during the dieting process before going off the diet. Beyond that, I think most diets fail because they do not teach proper nutrition. Many people lose weight by cutting out carbs; not all carbs are bad, in fact your body requires them for proper function. Same with fat; your body requires healthy fats.
The most important lesson I've learned in the past few months is portion control. What is the proper portion of a food you love to eat? Obviously if you're going to snack during a Netflix binge on grapes and baby carrots, or any other raw vegetable or fruit, you're not doing any real harm. But learning to identify the proper portion of your favorite non-veggie/fruit foods is essential. What is the correct portion of a plate of nachos or a dish of ice cream or a serving of pizza or tacos or whatever? Learning this lesson is absolutely essential, I think, in maintaining your weight loss.
*End long rant*
09-20-2015 15:00
09-20-2015 15:00
@smoolichen wrote:I read an article about calories not being the focus of weigh loss (see the link below). It's all about thermodynamics and how your body burns and conserves energy. Restriction of calories puts you body in a starvation mode and last thing it will burn is fat. So eating more fat is the place to start. Eating all day long, as we have been taught to do many small meals, is problem. I was impressed that fitbit used a ratio of fat being aroung 60% (good fats) and carbs and proteins being close to a one on one ratio which is what the "knowledgable" nutritions promote to day. But I have learned that is not enough. I follow Dr. Mercola, a homeopathic physician's web site, and he has for a long time promotted intermittant fasting. There are several ways to do this but I use the daily style that leaves a long period between dinner and my next meal which is lunch. If you are diabetic you can't jump into this right away particularly if you are Type 1. If that is the case you need to consult a good nutritionist to set up a transition plan. Once I started doing that I started to lose weight. I believe it reverved my metabolic syndrome / insulin resistance condition. If I have a bad few days my body is quick to rebound. You can search on his website for intermittant fasting eating articles. I am now just seeing other nutrition sites promoting the same thing Mercola has talked about for the past several years.
The article below goes into how we burn calories and talks about intermittant fasting as well. I found it helpful hope you do too.
Let me start by saying I'm getting into IF in a big way and have been practicing it for only 3 weeks now, but lost 3 lbs each of the first two weeks. Having said that, I'm not sure I can agree with everything in the article. From personal experience in my life I've lost weight several times using calorie retriction and high protein formulas. Based on the research I've done lately, I've abandon my belief in the so called 'Starvation mode', especially concerning the limited studies done for IF, starvation mode doesn't kick in for 60 hours when fasting. Moderate calorie restriction isn't going to cause this to happen. More likely, people don't loose weight due to insulin insensitivity, so it that respect the article is correct that we need to retrain our bodies. Fasting gets insulin down to a level where the cells increase their sensitivity to it when it does become available.
Energy is stored in 3 primary places before fat storage: Blood, liver and muscle. The idea behind IF is to deplete blood sugar while maintaining liver. As the muscles use up their stores they deplete the blood levels, but before the body opens the liver stores it starts to burn fat and release ketones. The ketones are the energy the muscles and more importantly, the brain begin to use as energy and there is evidence that the brain may actual function better on ketone - resulting in the reduction is age related cognitive diseases. This is true for both IF and long term, calorie restriction diets such as the Longevity Diet.
I recently had a discussion with a doctor who divuldge that nutritional effects are the most controversial area of medicine, so who really does know the truth. IF has worked for me these past two weeks and I'm excited about the possibilities.
09-20-2015 15:44
09-20-2015 15:44
Hi Raviv
The key word is once in a while.... A cheat day once a week is probably not wise at all. A slice of pizza varies from 250-400 calories but 192 for thin crust. So 1 slice with a salad once in a while like every 6 weeks I can handle. We need to do this be healthy dance in a sustainable way for our life time. I love veggies both raw and lightly cooked and beans as well. I can stay the heck away from rotten oreos and other garbage since at 74 1/2 I care one heck more about health than a short term sugar taste. Give me 0 fat Greek yogurt and organic blueberries and I'm smiling. This body we each are given to care for needs healthy food not junk to build and repair each and every cell. Why cheat it and feed the junk food companies bulging bank accounts? Feed your beautiful cells and they will love you for it and take care of you for a life time. At 5'7 (shrunk an inch darn it) and at 135.8 lbs I just 1.8 lbs to goal weight and in healthy BMI range now.
Just the way I see it but I'm still dancing, walking and enjoying the journey in my seventies.
All the best Fitbitters,
Barbara G
09-20-2015 16:52
09-20-2015 16:52
@dancefoxtrot wrote:Hi Raviv
The key word is once in a while.... A cheat day once a week is probably not wise at all. A slice of pizza varies from 250-400 calories but 192 for thin crust. So 1 slice with a salad once in a while like every 6 weeks I can handle. We need to do this be healthy dance in a sustainable way for our life time. I love veggies both raw and lightly cooked and beans as well. I can stay the heck away from rotten oreos and other garbage since at 74 1/2 I care one heck more about health than a short term sugar taste. Give me 0 fat Greek yogurt and organic blueberries and I'm smiling. This body we each are given to care for needs healthy food not junk to build and repair each and every cell. Why cheat it and feed the junk food companies bulging bank accounts? Feed your beautiful cells and they will love you for it and take care of you for a life time. At 5'7 (shrunk an inch darn it) and at 135.8 lbs I just 1.8 lbs to goal weight and in healthy BMI range now.
Just the way I see it but I'm still dancing, walking and enjoying the journey in my seventies.
All the best Fitbitters,
Barbara G
Agree. I don't plan for cheat days myself. I know there will be meals when I don't eat as well as others, so I might kind of bank some calories by eating lighter before or after.
Sundays are a good example - I go for a run in the morning, and that adds in about 300-400 calories to my allotment. Then every Sunday we go out for a big breakfast, and that's around 700-800 calories in one meal. But it's good stuff (3 egg omelette with mozzarella and some veggies, two slices of sourdough and a small amount of potato) and I'm not hungry when lunch comes around. Then I eat a normal dinner, so it works out in the long run.
As far as things like ice cream and cookies and such, then I go more for small amounts instead of rarity. Last night I had some ice cream. But I only had a couple spoonfuls. I actually looked it up, and the amount I ate was 40 calories, so it made almost no dent in my daily amount. But it satisfied a craving I had all day long. I'll do the same with a cookie. A 75 calorie cookie is better in the long run than having 6 (or more) of them for a total of 450 calories when I finally throw my hands in the air and binge.
But like the other posters have said - we all have to go at this in the way that works for us as individuals. Since I have several food restrictions already (that actually cause me pain if I eat them), I can't mentally and emotionally cope with too many other restrictions. I have to cut myself some slack and focus on the big picture or I rebel and eat All Of The Food.
09-20-2015 17:30
09-20-2015 17:30
Sounds like a good plan Raviv. 40 cals of ice cream is a nice treat and no hands thrown up. You got it!
I do that at my son's house have a bite of the grandkids ice cream not a dish or a big 380 cal dipped cone full.
Barbara G
09-21-2015 00:56
09-21-2015 00:56
I'm around 25 on the BMI scale, have lost 3 stone from my (recent) max and I havent even started to "diet" yet.
You can get fat by eating any food to excess, simple carbs and fats are just easy to eat lots of calories worth of.
09-21-2015 11:38
09-21-2015 11:38
@smoolichen Starvation mode isn't a real thing until you get to VERY low body fat. Your metabolism slows a very tiny amount, but you will still lose weight. If you are gaining weight, the ONLY reason is that you are eating more calories than your body is burning. No matter what else you have going on, medications, PCOS, hypothyroidism... if you are gaining weight, you are eating too many calories.
http://amydix.com/youre-not-in-starvation-mode/
http://www.fattyfightsback.com/2009/03/mtyhbusters-starvation-mode.html
http://examine.com/faq/how-do-i-stay-out-of-starvation-mode/
http://www.nowloss.com/starvation-mode-myth.htm
http://www.madsciencemuseum.com/msm/pl/great_starvation_experiment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Starvation_Experiment
Like most of us on a diet, their metabolisms did slow down. In fact, after they'd been on this diet for a while -- we're talking months, not days here -- their body fat percentage got to a point below what is considered minimal to live on (about 5% for a guy, 6% for a gal). At this point, their metabolism had slowed down as much as 40%. But -- and this is the important point for those of us on a diet -- they continued to lose weight. Even with that big of a slow down in their BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate), they were still operating at a great enough calorie deficit to lose.
If this is true with a 40% slow down, it's even more true when the slow down is somewhere in the 14 - 22% range, which is more where if falls with normal dieting.
@smoolichen wrote:I read an article about calories not being the focus of weigh loss (see the link below). It's all about thermodynamics and how your body burns and conserves energy. Restriction of calories puts you body in a starvation mode and last thing it will burn is fat. So eating more fat is the place to start. Eating all day long, as we have been taught to do many small meals, is problem. I was impressed that fitbit used a ratio of fat being aroung 60% (good fats) and carbs and proteins being close to a one on one ratio which is what the "knowledgable" nutritions promote to day. But I have learned that is not enough. I follow Dr. Mercola, a homeopathic physician's web site, and he has for a long time promotted intermittant fasting. There are several ways to do this but I use the daily style that leaves a long period between dinner and my next meal which is lunch. If you are diabetic you can't jump into this right away particularly if you are Type 1. If that is the case you need to consult a good nutritionist to set up a transition plan. Once I started doing that I started to lose weight. I believe it reverved my metabolic syndrome / insulin resistance condition. If I have a bad few days my body is quick to rebound. You can search on his website for intermittant fasting eating articles. I am now just seeing other nutrition sites promoting the same thing Mercola has talked about for the past several years.
The article below goes into how we burn calories and talks about intermittant fasting as well. I found it helpful hope you do too.
09-21-2015 12:11 - edited 09-21-2015 12:12
09-21-2015 12:11 - edited 09-21-2015 12:12
@AnAuthor wrote:@smoolichen Starvation mode isn't a real thing until you get to VERY low body fat. Your metabolism slows a very tiny amount, but you will still lose weight. If you are gaining weight, the ONLY reason is that you are eating more calories than your body is burning. No matter what else you have going on, medications, PCOS, hypothyroidism... if you are gaining weight, you are eating too many calories.
I think there is a semantics issue here - between "starvation mode" and failing to eat sufficient calories.
Insufficiently fueling your body can cause problems like a loss of muscle mass, failing to lose weight, and damage done to other physiological systems when the body decides to slow them down in an effort to conserve energy.
As far as your link, I have to admit that Ancel Keys is not known for his studies. Well he is, but not in a good way. Cherrypicking data is more his forte.
Ignoring my personal feelings toward Keys, here is what the study found - in addition to the truly horrific side effects noted in the study, I've highlighted the ones applicable to weight loss:
Among the conclusions from the study was the confirmation that prolonged semi-starvation produces significant increases in depression, hysteria and hypochondriasis as measured using the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. Indeed, most of the subjects experienced periods of severe emotional distress and depression. There were extreme reactions to the psychological effects during the experiment including self-mutilation (one subject amputated three fingers of his hand with an axe, though the subject was unsure if he had done so intentionally or accidentally). Participants exhibited a preoccupation with food, both during the starvation period and the rehabilitation phase. Sexual interest was drastically reduced, and the volunteers showed signs of social withdrawal and isolation. The participants reported a decline in concentration, comprehension and judgment capabilities, although the standardized tests administered showed no actual signs of diminished capacity. There were marked declines in physiological processes indicative of decreases in each subject’s basal metabolic rate (the energy required by the body in a state of rest), reflected in reduced body temperature, respiration and heart rate. Some of the subjects exhibited edema in their extremities, presumably due to decreased levels of plasma proteins given that the body's ability to construct key proteins like albumin is based on available energy sources.
If you want to use Wikipedia again, then here is a quote from the "Starvation response" page:
Starvation mode is a state in which the body is responding to prolonged periods of low energy intake levels. During short periods of energy abstinence, the human body will burn primarily free fatty acids from body fat stores. After prolonged periods of starvation the body has depleted its body fat and begins to burn lean tissue and muscle as a fuel source.
Ordinarily, the body responds to reduced energy intake by burning fat reserves and consuming muscle and other tissues. Specifically, the body burns fat after first exhausting the contents of the digestive tract along with glycogen reserves stored in muscle and liver cells. After prolonged periods of starvation, the body will utilize the proteins within muscle tissue as a fuel source. People who practice fasting on a regular basis, such as those adhering to energy restricted diets, can prime their bodies to abstain from food while reducing the amount of muscle burned.