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Starting a Ketosis diet

Anybody else using ketosis?  What does it mean when your body is in ketosis and how can you tell if you're in ketosis?

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It is amazing how many people feel better on  KETO and have so much more energy. Who knew that foods could make us feel so bad and not have good energy levels.

 

I also got a fit bit in December to hold me accountable for my steps per day it's been wonderful because I challenge myself to beat my own goals every day.

 

The first few weeks the weight comes off faster so do not get discouraged if it slows down to 2-3 pounds a week. Mine stalls sometimes for 5 days not moving and I get so upset knowing I have not cheated or done anything different but then boom the scale finally moves.

 

Keep up the good work.

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It's really amazes me how a vast majority of people refuse to understand the concept of fasting and IF. I truely believe our bodies were designed to do just that. I don't see past ages of people always having three meals a day..
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Fasting and having 3 meals a day are not related.  Since I was diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes, I changed from 3 meals a day to grazing, which is the way most in the animal kingdom live. There is nothing in our body that says we should eat on a scheduled 3 meals a day, but there is a requirement to eat. By grazing, the body is never hungry, nor is it ever "stuffed".

 

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And grazing and fasting are not related either my friend.. If "grazing" works for have at it. My question is this, if you give your body food many times throughout the day or everytime you feel hungry. How is this any different from eat three meals a day? Your caloric intake is probably as much or more than if you were eating three meals a day..

Just remember when food enters your stomach that signals digestion with a increase of blood sugar and fat storage. That's how are bodies were designed to work, we are like rechargeable batteries. If you want to turn around your type two I would suggest you talk to you dr about IF. IF will help your body use insulin to oxides those fat cells instead of it being used for fat storage all the time. Cheers
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@Whyrun wrote:
 If you want to turn around your type two I would suggest you talk to you dr about IF. IF will help your body use insulin to oxides those fat cells instead of it being used for fat storage all the time. Cheers

FWIW, my Type 2 Diabetes has been totally turned around, and now classified as Pre-Diabetes by simply changing the diet to eliminates simple carbs and changing from regular meals to grazing. Fasting would not have done that, since I would have simply gorged with the same old foods after the fast.

 

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IF takes discipline, if you are not disciplined and find yourself binge eating IF is not for you..
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Nope, fasting isn't for me.  Food is, though...  Smiley Happy

 

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Yep, kinda makes me wonder why you commented on a thread about ketosis and fasting if it's not something your insterested in? No worries and good luck with your health goals.
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@Whyrun @USAF-Larry

 

Guys guys...we are all on the same page here!

 

DM2 is largely a result of Insulin resistance, which occers after years of Insulin bombardment (ie frequent and high spikes of Insulin). Many (fortunate!) people with DM2 or pre-DM can reduce their Insulin resistance with down-regulation; ie by dramatically reducing the frequency and size of Insulin 'Storms' (to borrow a medical term from thyroid disease).

 

Insulin spiking can be reduced by LCHF (with sensible protein content), IF (zero spikes there!), AS WELL AS 'GRAZING', as long as the grazed foods do not have a nasty glycemic/insulin response.

 

Which is to say I believe you are both correct 🙂  Take care  Rob K

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If you are still looking to read more about ketosis I found this website that seems to give a good background in how the body metabolises fat and the benfits and drawbacks of being in ketosis.

http://eatingacademy.com/

He doesn't spout retoric saying this is the only way to go, he gives a more clinical assesment and adds in his own personal experiences of eating a keto diet.

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I am just startng on the Keto diet today.  

I am using the information on the ketogenic-diet-resource.com site.  

There is a ton of information to absorb, but some of the core recommendations are things my doctor has been telling me for years: cut out all grains, eat lots of leafy greens, and a moderate amount of protein.  

Also, drastically reducing my intake of sugar.  That is the one that will be truly difficult, I think.  Trying to cut back sugar to a minimum is as hard as getting off of heroin, I have heard. Smiley Frustrated

I'll post back in a week on my progress.

 

Also, I am doing really well on increasing my walking now that summer is really here.

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@Dominique wrote:

 

vegetables, fruits etc. (or can only eat them in ridiculously tiny quantities)?

 


I tend to take most of my carbs in through fruits and veggies, sometimes chocolate covered fruit.  Woman Embarassed  I still have rice, potatoes and pasta, but I really don't care about them as much as fruit.  Cherries at the moment, although I bought raspberries at the fruit stand last weekend and I have jostaberries on the bushes outside (not a lot, but tasty).  And peach season is coming... mmmm....

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I have been told that Berries are the recommended fruit for a Keto diet, so I am planning to mostly eat those.  And I have ordered some of the "ChocoPerfection" bars.  Have you ever tried those?

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I guess I've learned a new term, I'd never heard of ketosis, but I guess that's what I'm doing.  I'm on a 1500 calorie a day diet, with high cardio and low/medium weight training.  I eat a lot of non-meat protein, some fruit, and minimal carbs (English muffins, which are low sodium and have a lot more protein than bread).  I don't know about the breath, which no one has mentioned to me as yet (though I've not tried to kiss anyone since I started).  It works, if you combine it with exercise.  This morning I did 4 hours of cardio and some weight training before I ate my first food, and only barely felt hungry.  That 4 hours was nothing but fat burning, and it felt good.  I wish you luck in your plan, I hope it works for you.

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i've been doing ketosis for a few months now. I had platued from losing a previous 80 pounds and had started to gain it back, so I switched things up a bit and started Keto. I love it. I am never hungry. I can usually eat whatever I want with substitutions. for example: a taco with no shell, a steak with butter instead of sauce, pork rinds instead of chips...

I feel so much better. I think clearer. I have more energy.  I sleep better. Your brain starts to run off of ketones instead of glucose and it makes a world of a difference.

 

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Hi G0_Girl;

 

As someone who is doing a Keto-diet, I can tell you that you should be aware that this is the best of the best. Lots of people don't understand it and think that "Bad Breath", "Carbs are good, why cutting them?", etc. are thing worth thinking before starting this way of life. For example: Bad Breath is just a phase and does not last forever, it will until your body is fully adapted (again) to burn fat as its main fuel, There are Essential Fatty Acids, Essential Amino-Acids (proteins), but there are no Essential Carbs. Why essential? Because the body can't produce it and must be consumed, everything that is not "essential" the body can produce it using the essential "stuff". Hope you still there and read this. Study all about ketogenic diet before starting one because is completely different from what food companies try to sell to the people (specially "high carb" agricultural companies). Start by reading books (Jason Fung, Jimmy More and Dr. Michael Vanderschelden and they also have great youtube videos). Note: Be aware of people who try it without the full knowledge posting negative stuff about it. Stop counting Calories and start asking “what food rise Insulin” and cut them completely until you reach full keto. This food that must be cut will include carbs, fruits and roots vegetable.  After completely keto-adapted, then you can start including carbs in small portions that does not take you out of ketosis. Think this way… those early humans thousands of thousands of years ago (100,000 years or more) have agricultural technics? No. Does they eat lots of fruits before any other animal reach them first? No. What was easier… collect random seed during the day just to prepare oats for breakfast or hunt a rabbit, cow, etc. and have food for a week? It was easier to catch a fish, octopus, crabs, etc. or make a hole on the ground, pick some potatoes and then heat it on a water container (if they have one) until ready to eat? Does iguanas leave lot of lettuce behind for the early humans be able to eat a lots of them? Don’t think so… Does the Neanderthals eat every two hours? Breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, dinner, snack? No. If people, today, “died” if they skip a meal, how early humans survived until today... Insulin control should be your target, not counting calories. If you do this, your life will change drastically and you will start to understand all the mistake we commit and all the misleading information provided by the Food Industry. Good Luck!

 

 

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I did ketogenic last January to lose a small amount of weight (~20 lbs). 

I personally loved it. Once you get used to it, it becomes very easy and you don't miss carbs. For me, the most effective thing about it was that cheating meant starting over, and going through the first few days of low-carbing can be really difficult. It was the perfect motivation not to cheat. I ate well, never felt hungry, my acne cleared up entirely, and I lost about 20 lbs in 4-5 weeks. I was also doing weight training and cardio 3-4 days a week, just for an hour each day.

There's a wealth of information online about it. I didn't even track my macros or calories that closely, and I still ate plenty of veggies and berries, and a square of extra dark chocolate at night. I'm definitely going to try and start back on it in a week or so to lose an extra 20ish lbs. 

I would say you can get into ketosis in a few days if you limit carbs to under 20g a day. That's net carbs mind you -- total carb minus fiber. You might feel like crap, with headaches, hunger, feeling run down, etc. but that's temporary, and it'll be worth it once your body adjusts. It's a very satisfying way to eat in my opinion, and you truly don't miss the carbs.

Good luck!

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I began the keto woe December 1st.  I went cold turkey and cut down to (aiming for) 5 carbs per day.  It has been a little difficult for me as I was a HUGE bread eater!  I was also drinking a minimum of 6 cans of coke a day.  I do not eat vegetables.  I eat a few fruits but the ones I like are not allowed on the keto diet haha.  I'm also not big into meats.... thats where my bread, corn and potatoes came into play.

 

So far I am doing pretty good I think.  I am on track for my current weight loss goals.

 

Starting Weight: 194.6 lbs
Current Weight: 174.4 lbs
Total Weight Lost: 20.2 lbs
Mini-Goal: 160-165 lbs (by Mar 9)
Goal Weight: 135 lbs (it might change as I start losing and seeing how it actually looks)

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@freinds wrote:

I do not eat vegetables.  I eat a few fruits but the ones I like are not allowed on the keto diet haha.


@dgwheeler: if I were severely restricting my carbs (as in a typical ketogenic diet), and I had to allocate the very limited amount of carbs allowed by the diet between veggies and fruits, and one of the goal of the diet was weight loss, I would rather favour veggies over fruits, because veggies (typically) have less calories & less sugar and are more filling. What made you choose fruits instead of veggies? Are carbs from fruits better "tolerated" than those from veggies, in a ketogenic diet? And do you feel you are eating enough fiber with the few fruits you are allowed to eat?

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Hi Dominique,



Ketodiet is a completely different from other diets, here you don't need to count calories because your body will tell you when to stop (look at the end for details). When eating carbs, specially processed carbs like bread, pasta, cake, etc. some people can eat a lot I mean a lot before stopping because the body can't trigger the "stop signal" so easy as it can do when eating high fat (healthy ones) and proteins. On a ketodiet what you want to understand is Insulin < this is the bad stuff; this hormone stop every good process your body is supposed to be doing and concentrate all its efforts on burning the sugar or carbs ASAP (have you heard "sugar rush"?). Insulin is the hormone we want to control (lower) and carbs (even good ones), sugars, high corn fructose syrup, sucralose, honey, etc. are victims (some more harmful than others) because they rise insulin a lot, but be careful, lots of proteins can raise insulin too in a process called "gluconeogenesis" were the body transform any non-carbs (including excess proteins) into "glucose" but don't worry of your body burning muscle for carbs if not eating enough of carbs. When the body is adapted to ketones, it will also release Human Grow Hormone to protect muscle from being consume by the body, the body won't eat his own heart.



All fossil of our ancestor where found with spears, arrow, "stone knife" all to kill or self-defense, but they don’t found kitchen utensils to cook root veggies like potatoes. It was not easy to reach for fruits on threes before any other animal, worms, ants, birds or monkey (for example). So, what is left? Hunting and veggies, veggies luckily found above ground and near our own height that don’t need to be cooked (if there were some around, remember, agriculture is a modern day human process), and no cow, caribou, elephant, giraffe and any vegetarian animal extinct eat them first. A vegetarian ancestral human may not live longer compared to carnivorous, because it was so difficult to expend all day finding all necessary veggies just to eat lunch, that they will spend all 16 hours awake just looking for veggies to eat his next dinner, but when carnivorous kill a cow they will have food for at least a week and expend more time socializing and having sex so we can be here now. If they happen to find an intact fruit three, perfect! they can eat the fruit, but it was occasionally, not daily (let’s call that our ancestor’s “cheating day”). So, fruits should be our “cheating candy”, not does aliens Nestle or similar companies made, that should not even exist (sorry for this bad news haha).



Now with all the above said I will answer your questions:


1. What made you choose fruits instead of veggies?
Fruits should be our “cheating candy” not part of a daily diet (more on that later when talking about fiber).


2. Are carbs from fruits better "tolerated" than those from veggies, in a ketogenic diet?
The question should be… what can raise insulin faster, veggies or fruits? Typically fruits raise insulin faster, so veggies are best (no roots), veggies above ground. You can find the “glycemic index” of food using google. Glycemic index” is a reference of how much it will affect the insulin production (higher is bad, lower best). Other way to see this myth about carbs is this: There are “Essential fatty Acids”, “Essential Amino Acids (proteins), but there are no “Essential Carbs”. What “Essential” mean? Means that the body can’t manufacture them and need to be consumed, the rest of the non-essential fatty acids or amino acids can be created using the essential ones by the body. There are no essential carbs, so the body can create them using damaged proteins (good thing to recycle) or fats.


3. And do you feel you are eating enough fiber with the few fruits you are allowed to eat?

Dietary fiber is good, but I think is overrated. Think on this: Every sugar found in nature (not processed), every single gram is combine with fiber, you will not find sugar without fiber (honey is animal base) or fat with fiber, or protein with fiber in the same ratios. What the fiber does in this case when combine with sugar? If you eat a snicker, cotton candy, etc. without fiber, it will be easy for the stomach to digest it and send the sugar faster to the liver then to the blood and the body will respond rising the insulin ASAP. But when you eat a fruit with its fiber, the stomach will have a hard time digesting it and it will send the same amount of sugar to the liver but at a lower speed, so insulin will still rise but slowly. I just describe, almost, what is “Glycemic Index”, how fast a food can raise the insulin and faster or higher is bad. Note: Don’t cheat by eating snickers with two scope of fiber hahaha, not good!



When looking for veggies, try to eat the most rich and dense with nutrients and vitamins. When looking for veggie oil fats… veggie, nuts and seeds with good fats: Coconut oil, olive oil extra virgin and hemp oil and no more, coconut oil for cooking and dressing, olive and hemp oil just for dressing. Canola and Corn oil are literally poison. Corn does not have oil; it must be combine with lots of chemicals and process to end up with something like oil.



Recommended percentage intake of Fats, Proteins and Carbs.



Proteins

The only fixed value here is proteins. Take your lean mass body weight (ideal weight minus body fat) in pound and that will be your protein intake in grams. If ideal weight is 180 and have 50 pound in fat, then 180-50 = 130 grams of proteins daily. If is in kilogram do the same math but at the end multiply the kg of weight by 2.2 and the result is the number of daily intake of grams of proteins recommended.



Carbs

Near to cero, you can start adjusting (once you understand keto diet and how to measure ketones) the number of carbs intake, but typically no more that 20 grams of carbs daily. But try to go near cero in the beginning phase



Fats (healthy ones)

All you can eat, but watching the amount of proteins and carbs. Your body won’t allow you to eat as much as you do when eating sugars. Stop counting calories.



Food intake:

Fats 80%, Proteins 20% to 15%, Carbs 5% to 0%. Remmember that proteins is fixed and carbs near cero, once you reach the limit in proteins, the only variable left is fat, not carb.


Good luck!
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