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Starting a Ketosis diet

Anybody else using ketosis?  What does it mean when your body is in ketosis and how can you tell if you're in ketosis?

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Hi Dominique,

 

Ketodiet is a completely different from other diets, here you don't need to count calories because your body will tell you when to stop (look at the end for details). When eating carbs, specially processed carbs like bread, pasta, cake, etc. some people can eat a lot I mean a lot before stopping because the body can't trigger the "stop signal" so easy as it can do when eating high fat (healthy ones) and proteins. On a ketodiet what you want to understand is Insulin < this is the bad stuff; this hormone stop every good process your body is supposed to be doing and concentrate all its efforts on burning the sugar or carbs ASAP (have you heard "sugar rush"?). Insulin is the hormone we want to control (lower) and carbs (even good ones), sugars, high corn fructose syrup, sucralose, honey, etc. are victims (some more harmful than others) because they rise insulin a lot, but be careful, lots of proteins can raise insulin too in a process called "gluconeogenesis" were the body transform any non-carbs (including excess proteins) into "glucose" but don't worry of your body burning muscle for carbs if not eating enough of carbs. When the body is adapted to ketones, it will also release Human Grow Hormone to protect muscle from being consume by the body, the body won't eat his own heart.

 

All fossil of our ancestor where found with spears, arrow, "stone knife" all to kill or self-defense, but they don’t found kitchen utensils to cook root veggies like potatoes. It was not easy to reach for fruits on threes before any other animal, worms, ants, birds or monkey (for example). So, what is left? Hunting and veggies, veggies luckily found above ground and near our own height that don’t need to be cooked (if there were some around, remember, agriculture is a modern day human process), and no cow, caribou, elephant, giraffe and any vegetarian animal extinct eat them first. A vegetarian ancestral human may not live longer compared to carnivorous, because it was so difficult to expend all day finding all necessary veggies just to eat lunch, that they will spend all 16 hours awake just looking for veggies to eat his next dinner, but when carnivorous kill a cow they will have food for at least a week and expend more time socializing and having sex so we can be here now. If they happen to find an intact fruit three, perfect! they can eat the fruit, but it was occasionally, not daily (let’s call that our ancestor’s “cheating day”). So, fruits should be our “cheating candy”, not does aliens Nestle or similar companies made, that should not even exist (sorry for this bad news haha).

 

Now with all the above said I will answer your questions:

 

  1. What made you choose fruits instead of veggies?

Fruits should be our “cheating candy” not part of a daily diet (more on that later when talking about fiber).

 

  1. Are carbs from fruits better "tolerated" than those from veggies, in a ketogenic diet?

The question should be… what can raise insulin faster, veggies or fruits? Typically fruits raise insulin faster, so veggies are best (no roots), veggies above ground. You can find the “glycemic index” of food using google. Glycemic index” is a reference of how much it will affect the insulin production (higher is bad, lower best). Other way to see this myth about carbs is this: There are “Essential fatty Acids”, “Essential Amino Acids (proteins), but there are no “Essential Carbs”. What “Essential” mean? Means that the body can’t manufacture them and need to be consumed, the rest of the non-essential fatty acids or amino acids can be created using the essential ones by the body. There are no essential carbs, so the body can create them using damaged proteins (good thing to recycle) or fats.

 

  1. And do you feel you are eating enough fiber with the few fruits you are allowed to eat?

Dietary fiber is good, but I think is overrated. Think on this: Every sugar found in nature (not processed), every single gram is combine with fiber, you will not find sugar without fiber (honey is animal base) or fat with fiber, or protein with fiber in the same ratios. What the fiber does in this case when combine with sugar? If you eat a snicker, cotton candy, etc. without fiber, it will be easy for the stomach to digest it and send the sugar faster to the liver then to the blood and the body will respond rising the insulin ASAP. But when you eat a fruit with its fiber, the stomach will have a hard time digesting it and it will send the same amount of sugar to the liver but at a lower speed, so insulin will still rise but slowly. I just describe, almost, what is “Glycemic Index”, how fast a food can raise the insulin and faster or higher is bad. Note: Don’t cheat by eating snickers with two scope of fiber hahaha, not good!

 

When looking for veggies, try to eat the most rich and dense with nutrients and vitamins. When looking for veggie oil fats… veggie, nuts and seeds with good fats: Coconut oil, olive oil extra virgin and hemp oil and no more, coconut oil for cooking and dressing, olive and hemp oil just for dressing. Canola and Corn oil are literally poison. Corn does not have oil; it must be combine with lots of chemicals and process to end up with something like oil.

 

Recommended percentage intake of Fats, Proteins and Carbs.

 

Proteins

The only fixed value here is proteins. Take your lean mass body weight (ideal weight minus body fat) in pound and that will be your protein intake in grams. If ideal weight is 180 and have 50 pound in fat, then 180-50 = 130 grams of proteins daily. If is in kilogram do the same math but at the end multiply the kg of weight by 2.2 and the result is the number of daily intake of grams of proteins recommended.

 

Carbs

Near to cero, you can start adjusting (once you understand keto diet and how to measure ketones) the number of carbs intake, but typically no more that 20 grams of carbs daily. But try to go near cero in the beginning phase

 

Fats (healthy ones)

All you can eat, but watching the amount of proteins and carbs. Your body won’t allow you to eat as much as you do when eating sugars. Stop counting calories.

 

Food intake:

Fats 80%, Proteins 20% to 15%, Carbs 5% to 0%. Remmember that proteins is fixed and carbs near cero, once you reach the limit in proteins, the only variable left is fat, not carb.

 

Good luck!

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Since beginning kero I do not eat any fruits. Before keto I ate very few to begin with. Now I eat none.
I do not eat veggies because I do not like them. Not because I choose to eat fruits instead.



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@freinds wrote:
Since beginning kero I do not eat any fruits. Before keto I ate very few to begin with. Now I eat none.
I do not eat veggies because I do not like them. Not because I choose to eat fruits instead.



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So, you only eat meat and oil? Are you taking vitamin supplements? 

 

Sorry if I'm missing something.

 

-UVc

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Im getting confused by the way I receive post notification haha

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@UVcat wrote:

So, you only eat meat and oil? Are you taking vitamin supplements? 

@UVcat: a ketogenic diet is the extreme version of a low-carb/high-fat diet: you eat even fewer carbs (because eating carbs past a certain – very low – threshold will throw you out of ketosis) and even more fat. Weird, and definitely not for everyone, but there are people who swear by it.

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@Dominique wrote:

@UVcat wrote:

So, you only eat meat and oil? Are you taking vitamin supplements? 

@UVcat: a ketogenic diet is the extreme version of a low-carb/high-fat diet: you eat even fewer carbs (because eating carbs past a certain – very low – threshold will throw you out of ketosis) and even more fat. Weird, and definitely not for everyone, but there are people who swear by it.


Thanks, @Dominique. Yes, I know what a ketogenic diet means, in general. But was responding to @dgwheeler who said she was ketogenic and ate no vegatables, no fruit, and less than 5 grams of carbs per day (which seems much more extreme than other ketogenic diets I've encountered). Most ketogenic diets I've seen include at least green leafy vegetables. 

 

-UVc

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@UVcat: sorry for misunderstanding your question. Yes, total avoidance of veggies & fruits doesn’t sound sustainable to me, especially during a weight loss phase, when you should provide as many nutrients as possible with the limited calories that are available.

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@AlbertMartin: nice attempt to sell me on the ketogenic diet, but I’m not buying it Smiley LOL. I’m glad it’s working for you, but I simply don’t see what benefits it could possibly bring to me. I have no problem losing, gaining or maintaining weight (according to my goals) with my current way of eating (it’s just a question of adjusting total calories eaten to activity level); I’m very active and carbs are an awesome fuel for my activity, whether it’s cardio or resistance training (I do both), on top of which they are found in nearly all the foods I consider delicious.

 

As to "manipulating" hormones through your diet, I don’t believe in that either. Hormones are part of a very complex system and they don’t work in isolation from each others. They all serve a purpose and depicting insulin as a "bad guy" is simply wrong: if insulin was unneeded, the human species would have evolved getting rid of it. The problem is not with insuline itself, it’s with insuline insensitivity, which is usually self-inflicted (carrying too much fat because of overeating). Billions of people in Asia eat white rice every day and the obesity rate there is very low: do they produce a special kind of insulin that allows them to handle rice better?

 

The pseudo-scientific justification from "paleo-minded" people (cavemen and all) won’t convince me either. Did cavemen have a life expectancy of 80+ years, like people in rich countries now have? No, it was probably more like 25-30. Did they have to deal with atherosclerosis and related heart diseases, or colorectal cancer? No, they had hundreds of more likely causes of death to worry about (like becoming a source of protein for other animals larger than them). So even if their diet was what paleo enthusiasts think it was, and even if that diet was optimal for them back then, there’s no particular reason why it would be optimal for today’s humans.

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@UVcat  I have never in my life ate vegetables... except corn and potatoes.  I have only ate oranges, apples, grapes, bananas and watermelons in my life.  I do not like nor have I ever liked or ate any others.  So to drop them from my diet is really not much nutritionally different from how I have always ate.  Yes I do take vitamins & supplements 🙂  

Oh wait... let me update this... So in the past couple of years I have been able to tolerate grape tomatoes.  So on occasion I will eat a couple of those. 

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@dgwheeler: it is not uncommon for children not to like vegetables. When I was a kid, all I wanted to eat was potatoes (in any form), rice, pasta and the like (and I was very skinny my entire childhood, so much for carbs making you fat). I hated most vegetables, for instance zucchini and spinach. Now I love zucchini and spinach, and I can eat nearly all vegetables. Let’s face it, most haven’t got a very strong taste / are pretty bland, so it’s how you season them. All this to say you may want to reconsider your stance on veggies: just because you didn’t eat any as a child and disliked them back them doesn’t mean it would be the same today. And if you can’t eat them standalone, put them in a blender with some other stuff and make smoothies from them: if you make a spinach smoothie, you will only know there’s spinach in it because it’s going to be green. There’s so much overwhelming scientific evidence of the health benefits of eating veggies it would be silly to ignore it altogether. 

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Sorry you got angry, I can't explain everything in a post. Insulin and glucagon works together to keep the sugars level in a certain lower/upper limit. When one of them get "crazy" thing start going wrong, obese is the result and not the cause of insulin resistance. But everyone is different. Obese people are resistan to insulin, you sound you have insulin sensitivity high and that is great. For obese people, they can get back the insulin resistan by avoiding carbs, once they get sensible to insulin again, they can start adding sugar back slowly and looks how their body behave. But it's ok. Maybe other day I explain with more medical terms.

And the analogy used of the caveman is just to explain that carbs are not required as fats and proteins are the body can handle the minimum amount of sugar it requires (once is fully adapte to ketone). You see your diet from your point of view only, people that have insulin resistan can't do what you do because the will gonna gain more weight, but everyone,including you with low body fat, can do a ketodiet without problem.

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Also, is you manage to find all the information about ketones and how the body respond to them, you will find a lot of benefits, way more, for you apart from being fit, but if only you want a ripped body then you are good to go. 

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@Dominique. Lol yes I know taste buds change over time.  I do try veggies to see if I like them on occasion.  Cooked in different ways.  Thanks though.  I'm most determined to eat a salad but as good as they look and smell.... I gag when I eat them.  It's not for lack of trying.  Try smoothies often too.  We are always experimenting with new foods and new recipes.  I can't even drink mixed drinks because I don't like the flavors of the juices etc they are mixed with.

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Hi,

I have been doing keto diet since November 2016 (around 3 months back).

My diet mostly consist of  vegies, meat, and cheese

I do have coffee with heavy cream , xct oil, and stevia sweetner.. also some times i have a protien drink(which has very little carbs and sugar) after a workout.

My cheat eats are atkins chocolate protien bar( less than 5g net carb) - like 2 or 3  in a week.

I make sure my calorie intake is no more than 1500.

but my weightloss has been very slow. its just 13 lbs in 3 months.  May be my cheat eat is hindering the loss.

 

Any tips to improve the keto diet would help.

 

 

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https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/get-started this is the best site I've found so far for all things Ketosis and low carb eating, I hope this helps!

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Some people lose better if they cut out the dairy. Maybe that's what's holding you up??

I don't count calories but when I log my food they are there. I generally do not go over 800.

I'm also doing the advanced (accelerated?) Weight loss. My macros come from the Maria Mind Body something page.

I try to stay under 5 net carbs per day.



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Thanks dgwheeler. and *KENDYLB92* thanks for the info wil checkout those
links..

yeah and will try reducing dairy..

my carbs are around 30-40g...

Iam doing crossfit for workouts.. and total carb cuttoff is making me weak.

So how are everyone on keto managing the workouts and till have enough
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Go to a drug store and at the pharmacy counter they will have ketone test strips. You pee on them and they tell you the ketone level of your urine. Easy peasy, not very expensive (maybe ten bucks for 50 strips)

 

If you're not drinking enough water you can get ketone breath, and sometimes you'll smell it in your urine. More water is the answer. 

 

I'd suggest getting the Atkins book - it will help guide you through the process. 

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I have thyroid disease and this type of low carb eating is the only way for me to lose weight or keep it off. You should however listen to your body and not go to low off carbs as it can cause other unpleasant issues in your digestion/elimination functions. The Zone way of eating works nice and you can go into ketosis as well with this eating method. Keep exercising and don't forget those vitamins.  

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@KSCalgary wrote:

I have thyroid disease and this type of low carb eating is the only way for me to lose weight or keep it off.  


Do you mean hypothyroidism (Hashimoto)? I was aware it makes it harder to lose weight, but I didn’t know a low-carb diet was the only way to lose weight for someone with the disease. In what way carbs are detrimental?

 

A few months ago, I read an interesting blog post by a medical student who has the condition and he didn’t mention dietary limitations. 

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