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Weight loss not reflected in cardio fitness

Good news-I lost weight! Like a gooooood amount! Enough so that I’m officially in the healthy BMI range!!! I have updated my weight periodically (each time I reached a new number on the scale) on my Fitbit. Each time I was excited thinking my cardio fitness level would change. 

Bad news-my Cardio fitness level remains constant. It tells me if I lose an additional 13 lbs (same amount for the last ~10. Lbs lost!) that my cardio fitness level will go up. 

What gives?!? If ~20 lbs weight loss doesn’t change my cardio fitness level I don’t think anything will!

note: I don’t run. All my workouts are aerobic / HIIT. 

Has anyone actually had their cardio fitness improve? What did you do? Does it only work if you run?! Help. 

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First of all, congrats for the weight loss and reaching a healthy weight!

 

I wonder if it’s a case of weigh-ins obtained from a Fitbit scale vs. weigh-ins manually entered by the user? A bit like steps manually logged in by the user won’t be counted in challenges or leaderboards. I have a Fitbit Aria and my cardio fitness score does fluctuate according to changes in weight. The impact is approximately 1 point up and down in the cardio fitness score for each 1 kg down and up. The score range was 55-59 when I was around 64 kg, and 61-65 at around 59 kg. Resting heart rate also plays a role in the score, but mine doesn’t fluctuate much, and if/when it does, it’s independent of weight.

Dominique | Finland

Ionic, Aria, Flyer, TrendWeight | Windows 7, OS X 10.13.5 | Motorola Moto G6 (Android 9), iPad Air (iOS 12.4.4)

Take a look at the Fitbit help site for further assistance and information.

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@CaitKlug wrote:

Good news-I lost weight! Like a gooooood amount! Enough so that I’m officially in the healthy BMI range!!! I have updated my weight periodically (each time I reached a new number on the scale) on my Fitbit. Each time I was excited thinking my cardio fitness level would change. 

Bad news-my Cardio fitness level remains constant. It tells me if I lose an additional 13 lbs (same amount for the last ~10. Lbs lost!) that my cardio fitness level will go up. 

What gives?!? If ~20 lbs weight loss doesn’t change my cardio fitness level I don’t think anything will!

note: I don’t run. All my workouts are aerobic / HIIT. 

Has anyone actually had their cardio fitness improve? What did you do? Does it only work if you run?! Help. 


Losing weight has no bearing on your cardio fitness as you can lose weight with only moderate levels of exercise.  Losing body fat%, however, has some bearing on your cardio fitness because a higher fitness level allows you to burn more fat.

 

Fitness level relates closely with Mitochondrial Biogenesis, as this is the process for which the amount of Mitochondria in your muscles multiplies.  It will only multiply reliably when you subject your muscles to complete muscle failure.  The more Mitochondria in your muscles, the more fit you are as you are able to perform exercises stronger, faster and with more endurance as your muscle glycogen storage improves.  The exercise that would motivate the growth of Mitochondria in your muscles is HIIT.  High Intensity Interval Training.  As the name implies, it was an exercise routine first studied by a Japanese research by the name of Izumi Tabata and many variations of HIIT was born out of the Tabata training methodology.  So basically, you would exercise in short intervals till total breakdown.  If you do it correctly and with some professional guidance as doing them incorrectly will lead to injuries as you are NOT only breaking down your outer muscles, but you are strengthening your inner organs like your heart and circulatory system.  Mitochondria do exist in the heart muscles, so having more Mitochondria allows you to burn visceral fat as those fat that are coated around your organs are harder to get rid of fat wise.

 

So I think you are now seeing that your fitness level relates closely to your body fat%.  In fact, body fat% of athletes are usually at the 10-15% and people being in fitness at around 15-19% body fat.  Body builders are at the 5-7% body fat% and usually you can't sustain that for very long.  These body fat% are for men.  Add about 8% more for women as women need more body fat for child bearing and hormonal management.  A healthy BMI range simply means that your body fat% is at a normal healthy level that reduces your risk of having diabetes, stroke, cardiovascular diseases and lately dementia.

 

Having said that, if you want to increase your cardiovascular fitness, which I think you are eluding towards.  Then yes, you need to do cardiovascular exercises, as any exercises train you to have both strength and endurance.  HIIT produces the strength component, whereas long steady cardio provides you with the cardiovascular endurance to last a certain event.  You don't need to run, though running provides the most cardiovascular training benefits.  Swimming can be a replacement to running as it provides almost all the benefits of cardiovascular strength and endurance, but it is impact free.  As you swim faster, you will face more water resistance so your heart rate will increase and that training strengthen your heart and will help lower your RHR (Resting HR).  My HR can go as low as 38bpm at rest.  That would be a measure of your fitness level and it is your RHR.  The lower the RHR and the lower body fat%, the more fit you are as it takes less effort for your heart to pump and maintain your circulatory functions and to move with a lighter body.  

 

Hope this helps.

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@bikerhiker wrote: 

Losing weight has no bearing on your cardio fitness.


Fitbit’s Cardio Fitness Score is a concept introduced by Fitbit. They explicitly state that weight affects your score. Here is the relevant screenshot from the mobile app:

 

impact of weight on cardio fitness score.png

 

 You may disagree with that way of looking at things, but that’s how they chose to design it.

Dominique | Finland

Ionic, Aria, Flyer, TrendWeight | Windows 7, OS X 10.13.5 | Motorola Moto G6 (Android 9), iPad Air (iOS 12.4.4)

Take a look at the Fitbit help site for further assistance and information.

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@Dominique

 

First of all, look at this Fitbit help explanation in regards to Fitbit's Cardio Fitness score.

 

https://help.fitbit.com/articles/en_US/Help_article/2096

 

 

Quote from the Fitbit's help site..

WHAT IS VO2 MAX?

VO2 Max is a measurement of how well your body uses oxygen when you’re working out at your hardest. It is widely accepted as the gold standard for grading cardiovascular fitness: the higher your VO2 Max, the more fit you are. This metric can also indicate performance potential for endurance-based activities including running, biking, and swimming

VO2 Max is traditionally measured in a lab where you run on a treadmill or ride a stationary bike until exhaustion with a mask strapped to your nose and mouth to gauge the amount of air you inhale and exhale. While this method provides the most accurate measure of VO2 Max, your Fitbit device can estimate this value for you with less effort and discomfort.

Fitbit estimates your VO2 Max and refers to it as your cardio fitness score.

 

"Additionally, healthy weight loss (primarily by lowering your body fat percentage) can contribute to an increase in your cardio fitness score.  On the other hand, unhealthy weight loss (lowering your muscle mass) can have a negative effect on your score."

 

There is an article that indicated US Fitbit users have the highest RHR (Resting Heart Rate) via Fitbit internal data showed that both the U.S and Singapore have the highest resting heart rate @ 65.9bpm as opposed to Italy @ 61.8 bpm, which is the lowest!  Perhaps in Fitbit's Cardio Fitness score they are telling US and Singaporean Fitbit users that they are healthy cardiovascular wise, and yet the American Heart Association indicated that United States' Fitbit users rather high RHR is a negative reflection's of the nation's overall health.  

 

As you had said earlier that your RHR does not play much in terms of Fitbit's cardiovascular fitness score, while weight does, goes to show clearly what's going on with Fitbit's methodology in regards to cardiovascular fitness.  My response to the poster is based on how one actually determines cardiovascular fitness and that's how we determine the person's fitness level.  As it clearly shows now with Fitbit's internal numbers, their database of RHR throughout the world ranges from the high of 65.9bpm to a low of 61.9bpm and as you clearly said; these numbers mean nothing to Fitbit as it won't change the score much.  Weight does, so this clearly shows what Fitbit believes.  If Fitbit feels a higher RHR between 60-100 bpm is ok, as long as your weight is low than this is Fitbit's definition of cardiovascular fitness, but I see it as mainly being healthy with the emphasis on lower weight.  But lower weight itself is not a reflection of better cardio fitness as the RHR database from Fitbit, so I'm not sure how Fitbit can issue a good cardio fitness score for US and Singapore users, unless they all get poor scores?

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Thanks everyone. My resting heart rate is low. Upper 40s lower 50s so it’s not going to go down anytime soon. I am doing HIIT workouts too. Guess my score is what it is. I’ll just be glad I’m so much by healthier and try not to pay it much mind!!

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Yessss that’s why I was confused 🙂 like don’t tell me to lose 13 lbs as I #*<{[€+%! lose 13 lbs without a change in score lol 

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@CaitKlug wrote:

Yessss that’s why I was confused 🙂 like don’t tell me to lose 13 lbs as I #*<{[€+%! lose 13 lbs without a change in score lol 


Sometimes, it is just common sense.  I mean, if your GPS tells you to drive your car into the ocean, would you?  

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This is going to sound silly and also may not be the answer you want to hear but the cardio fitness score isn't accurate unless you do the following:

 

HOW DO I GET A MORE PRECISE ESTIMATE OF MY SCORE?

If your Fitbit device connects to GPS, we can provide a more precise estimate of your score using the relationship between pace and heart rate during your runs. This is because individuals with higher VO2 Max have a lower heart rate while running at the same pace compared to individuals with lower VO2 Max. If you're able to run at a comfortable pace for at least 10 minutes, track a run with GPS. We recommend running on flat terrain as much as possible since only the flat sections of your run count towards your score estimate. You may need to go on several runs that are at least 10 minutes in length to affect your score.

 

**** I had my Versa for a month and kept seeing my score at 39-40. I went on one run for ten minutes (moderate pace) and the next morning my score was 49. I have been going on a runs outside 3 times a week for the last month and my current score is 51. Now I don't like to run but I do feel better and find it more challenging than being on a treadmill. My runs consist of 10 minutes of running at a steady pace, then 10 minutes of walking and then intervals for 5 intervals (1 minute running and 1 minute walking=1interval)

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