04-24-2014 19:20
04-24-2014 19:20
Does anyone else consistently not eat enough calories? I am eating daily and I am choosing healthy options. However, I am consistently being"yelled" at by MFP and Fitbit for being under my calories. I do not hit the gym everyday, and when I do it is weights that I utilize not neccessarily cardio. Any suggestions?
04-24-2014 19:38
04-24-2014 19:38
Are you asking for advice on eating more? If so, add some calorie-dense food to your diet: butter, cheese, nuts, avocados, etc.
If you're happy with your weight loss and you're not hungry, don't worry about Fitbit "yelling" at you.
04-24-2014 20:07
04-24-2014 20:07
Your definition of "healthy" may be too limited and not necessarily true either.
Like a lot of people are still stuck on the myth that fat is bad for you, and do low-fat or non-fat everything.
1 true tablespoon of peanut butter will help you out.
And realize too, you feeling full, and your body being fully fed for your level of activity - are 2 very different things.
You can by eating too low mess up hormones and not feel hungry eating so low.
Same as you can be vitamin or mineral deficient in something and that effects of that don't show up for months. You don't notice the fact until the results are seen usually.
04-25-2014 18:03
04-25-2014 18:03
I love the weight loss, but yest need to have more knowledge on high protein as that is my biggest issue. I am good with Carbs and tend to be slightly over for fat.
04-25-2014 18:05
04-25-2014 18:05
Probably should have said healthier choices. Eating a grilled chicken pita versus a hamburger. I don't limit myself on the weekends at all as that is usually the time that I get to hang out with my children. I have chosen more healthy fats and higher protein items. I just want to make sure that I balance so that I do not put my body in "starvation" mode and it wants to hold instead of burning. Any suggestions?
04-25-2014 18:42 - edited 04-25-2014 18:45
04-25-2014 18:42 - edited 04-25-2014 18:45
Starvation mode isn't a real thing. If you are actually starving to death, your body will try to conserve calories. But even then you would still lose weight if you were eating at a deficit. It's why anorexics aren't fat.
I would suggest still sticking to your eating plan on the weekends, even with your kids. You can probably afford a splurge meal, but spending two days eating well beyond your deficit is going to make losing weight difficult.
Overall, though, I wouldn't worry about what Fitbit says unless you're having trouble with your eating plan. If you're going over your numbers and still dropping pounds, and feeling good, without being hungry, rock on.
04-25-2014 20:14
04-25-2014 20:14
@MonicaJ wrote:Starvation mode isn't a real thing. If you are actually starving to death, your body will try to conserve calories. But even then you would still lose weight if you were eating at a deficit. It's why anorexics aren't fat.
Well, whether he meant to be specific with terms or not, starvation mode is not the same as starving.
And starvation mode is real.
Shoot - a diet is nothing more than controlled starving in reality - hopefully doing it at a level the body doesn't get stressed out about. But it can.
And his effect will happen. Your deficit slowly disappears until there is none, your body does indeed hold on to everything, by the fact it adapted slower to conserve. He did not use any of the common myths though, like you'll gain more fat, or it happens after a missed meal or 1 low day - those are myths.
But read up on some studies if unaware that adaptive thermogenesis is very real, and you don't have to be starving, or even eating a low calorie level. It's all about the deficit for the amount of fat you got available.
True - as you mention, you can indeed keep cutting calories more and more to get around it, but who want to attempt to lose weight and then maintain later eating say 500 calories less than what could have been possible. That's a recipe for failure.
http://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/truth-about-metabolic-damage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i_cmltmQ6A
Here's the 6 month study in full if you want to dig in to it, I thought I'd point out some tidbits.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0004377
Participants had to be between BMI 25-30, overweight category, but healthy otherwise. They were excluded if they smoked, exercised more than twice a week, were pregnant, lactating or post-menopausal, had a history of obesity (BMI>32), diabetes, cardiovascular disease, eating disorders, psychological disorders, substance abuse or regularly used medications except for birth control. So that may have a bearing in comparison.
Diet was 55 / 15 / 30 for C / P / F.
CR (Calorie Restriction) was 25% deficit from TDEE, so not massive.
CR + EX (EXercise) was 12.5% deficit plus 12.5% calories burned in cardio exercise 5 x week, each session being 403-569 calories for 45-53 min (women and men difference).
LCD (Low Calorie Diet) was 890 cal/day until 15% of weight was loss, then back to maintenance calories by month 3, whatever it was then. That's a tad massive
DEXA scans for body composition of LBM (Fat Free Mass (FFM)) and Fat Mass (FM). Sedentary TDEE measurements in a metabolic chamber for 23 hrs. SMR (Sleeping Metabolic Rate (BMR)) measured chunk of night no movement.
Several formulas related to measured Sedentary TDEE at baseline based on all available stats, to compare down the road when stats changed.
At 3 month check, sedentary TDEE had dropped by the following amounts, below what the formulas would have indicated for new measured LBM and FM, and SMR. In other words, it lowered the expected amount, and an additional...
CR - 371
CREX - 2
LCD - 496
At 6 month check, there was some recovery to be had, and reminder the LCD was at maintenance this entire time from 3-6 months...
CR - 209
CREX - 129 over expected
LCD - 275
So notice that even after 3 months maintenence level eating, the initial LCD group still had a TDEE 275 below what was expected for their current LBM and FM. Perhaps more time at maintenance it would have recovered?
The CR group slightly recovered, but still 209 lower than expected.
The CR+EX group actually had an increased TDEE.
Now that was Sedentary TDEE in the lab that was compared.
Daily TDEE with all activity was also compared to their SMR, TDEE/SMR for physical activity rate (PAR).
At month 3, CR and LCD had significant drops in PAR below what would have been expected for their current LBM and FM, by CR 350 and LCD 497, with CR-EX having none. At month 6, CR 215 and LCD 241, so again some recovery.
So the NEAT part of their day decreased as expected because of lower weight, but even more than expected because of less movement, resulting in lowered figures above.
So, that is how much their TDEE dropped along with their lower eating level and weight.
Now imagine during your weight loss, is your TDEE being lower going to help or hinder you for sticking to an eating level? May depend on how little you really want to eat.
They lost in total CR - 8.3, CR-EX - 8.4, LCD - 11.2.
So while the LCD did lose the most (in 3 months too compared to 6), their TDEE had only recovered from 496 to 275 below what it could be, perhaps more recovery was coming. So no wonder the first few months of maintenance could be the hardest, you have the most suppressed metabolism then.
And notice that even the great results of the CR-EX group, still meant 8.4 lbs in 6 months of dieting, with a 25% deficit in essence, 12.5 created by diet, with additional 12.5 by extra exercise. But no loss of TDEE, in fact increase, and mere decent level of cardio.
Other point to keep in mind - no more than 2 x exercise a week was being done prior - so they had a lot of room for improvement. No weight loss prior, so full burning metabolism. And in overweight range, not obese where these effects might not be so bad.
Thought it was interesting info to know. So when you are talking about metabolism slowing down, it's more correctly your TDEE slowing down with all the components of it to some degree, beyond what was going to happen anyway. And recovery to expected levels could be well over 3 months when at maintenance. They reference another study where it took 6 years to.
04-25-2014 20:18
04-25-2014 20:18
@Branden wrote:I love the weight loss, but yest need to have more knowledge on high protein as that is my biggest issue. I am good with Carbs and tend to be slightly over for fat.
Perhaps your protein goal is not needed as high as you have it set.
Studies on weight lifters cutting for show but to maintain muscle mass of course, have shown 0.82 grams per lb of body weight is plenty, slightly overkill. Anything more isn't useful in regards to protein, but if you have no liver problems it's not bad either. Just not needed.
0.35 grams fat per lb bodyweight is good too.
Do those recommendations help lower the protein to more obtainable?
You do whey shakes?
04-25-2014 20:27
04-25-2014 20:27
You can absolutely wreck your metaboilism if you take dieting too far, but the way most people on here and on MFP talk about it, you'd think skipping breakfast would send you into what they are calling starvation mode. Our bodies are more relilient than this.
Thanks for posting the links. Don't have time to read them right now, but I'll put them on my list.
04-25-2014 21:41
04-25-2014 21:41
Thank you all for your advice support and additional information. Might should have said this at the beginning but I am a female. So not sure that it changes the outcome of the responses, but just wanted to throw that out there. And yes I know I have a boys name....
04-27-2014 00:50
04-27-2014 00:50
@Branden wrote:Thank you all for your advice support and additional information. Might should have said this at the beginning but I am a female. So not sure that it changes the outcome of the responses, but just wanted to throw that out there. And yes I know I have a boys name....
All the above is easier to happen to you then - men have it easier because body fat isn't necessary for procreation like it is for women. Your body will get more stress with lower BF% and adapt faster usually.
Also, you need a full month of data to determine what is happening because your BMR literally does change through the month.