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Does Versa include SPO2?

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I am curious if this device contains the SPO2 sensor that is hopefully going to add to the Fitbit abilities moving forward.

 

 

Moderator edit: updated subject for clarity. 

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I looked up that Chinese watch on Amazon, and it seems the O2 monitor doesn't keep working after a while.  Still, the company responded to the negative reviews, and offered to make it right...I hope it works for you.

 

My son tried to get me to buy the Versa back in March, specifically because of the SPO2 monitor, but when we looked into it, we found they hadn't figured it out yet.  Now I agree with the comment above--that FitBit came out with the information that it had an oxygen sensor built in, too early.  I'm glad I didn't buy one, I'd be even more annoyed.  Still, I keep watching this thread, hoping FitBit will come on any day, and let us know the SPO2 is working.

 

Sigh.

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I even searched the Fitbit Studio documentation to see if there was an api or a hint of SPO2 code in there, I did not find anything, but my lack of programming skills doesn't really help here either.

 

 

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So any development update on this or has this been been abandoned.  

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How about the Garmin Felix 5x Plus? Anyone with experience of that SpO2 function? Thanks

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Looks like a great watch... and the added spO2 is a great feature, nice additional thing to check. But, like the heart-rate, the sensor uses reflection (of the led light on the rushing blood).  Trying to get an accurate SPO2 is more involved than simply timing reflection intensity (for the heart-rate). You have to measure the difference between 2 different color LED reflections to calculate SpO2. 

 

To get a reading with the Fenix, according to the reviews, you have to be still. Still that's great but it won't be the same as charting during an activity (walking, hiking) or sleep or whatever.

 

I can't imagine that we won't soon have finger sleeves that may even be water proof and are comfortable to wear and accurate even during activity and movement. These will contain sensor, battery and bluetooth. These work shining through your finger (not on reflection).  They will decimate the accuracy of absolutely every fitness watch available (bar none). I think they will beat the chest straps. Why aren't they available? Must be hard to fit the bluetooth and battery into a comfortable finger sleeve?  You would probably be happy with wrist-readings normally but serious athletes (and others) won't mind wearing a finger sleeve during events. They could make one to clasp on your ear lobe (possibly double as an earphone) but it would have to be made a lot smaller.

 

In short, it's a great additional feature for the Fenix that is about to be blown out of the water (in terms of accuracy and range of usefulness) by these upcoming, bluetooth enabled finger sleeve or ear-lobe sensors. I imagine they could also add galvanic skin response so it could be turned into a lie detector :). Can't see it doing blood sugar though. That would be nice.

 

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will you enable reading from the spo2 sensor in the developer api?  i would like to make a custom watch face to monitor o2 saturation for spending time at altitude.

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A watch face could be a great solution, if fit-bit wont do this themselves!


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Can we have the Spo2 read out as numbers and graph. I want to use it to check the oxygen level for my mom. It will be much easier to use it if it is available and I can constantly monitor it online. Please update it asap.

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SPO2?  I got tricky...I realized FitBit has engineers working in multiple countries, including Romania.  So I used Google translate to figure out how to do a search for oxygen sensors in FitBits in Romanian, and voila, I found websites in Romania that say they are selling FitBits with SPO2 sensors. 

 

Actually, they are selling a few kinds, not just the Versa.

 

So, it seems to me (with not too much research) that the problem is not being able to find it in the U.S., and FitBit actually does have a working sensor.  But somehow, it isn't up to the standards here.

 

I am now on a search to find how to buy this thing from Eastern Europe.  I really don't care if it is extremely accurate.  I want to get a general idea.  If I see my SPO2 tanking at night, then I have reason to go to my doctor and ask for a home medical system for a couple nights, to track it accurately.

 

Without any clue, how do I know if my O2 is maintaining at night? (I have a lung disease, and during the day I'm fine, but no one knows what happens to my SPO2 at night.)

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Tanking at night.

I'll respond because I wear a watch at night. I'm not trained.

How does the oxygen tank at night? Your airways get obstructed (from position or something like that). So, then, asleep, you often don't react immediately. Eventually you wake up even out of a deep sleep if it goes on. This obstruction event can recur several times in the night. The result is a less quality sleep obviously, plus just whatever impact of not getting O2 (to your brain, throughout your body) for short periods of time. This is called sleep apnea. If it's very serious and/or if there are drugs complications, you may not wake up (in time). (google sleep apnea deaths).

 

I have a watch that reliably records SPO2 throughout the night. I've had others use the watch. Almost everyone has some apnea events but some have regular events and some can be fairly deep. Always recommended to get a real sleep test (unfortunately expensive, where they basically do the same thing (plus other sensors)). The fix, if needed, is CPAP or forced air. Maybe yoga training can help. Probably, I don't know. That, lose weight, sleep on a slanted rock, sleep in the open air. But still, use CPAP.

 

So, how does it happen? You're asleep, you don't realize you aren't breathing. It's usually, during a dream event. If you wake up in it, you remember the dream, not the trauma of not breathing. In fact, you can't believe you weren't breathing (the readout will convince you but not immediately).

 

So I'll characterize this... Normally SPO2 is upwards of 95. I've seen people drop, in sleep, to 85, 87, not uncommon. Others drop to the low 80s. If you're in the 70s I think you've already turned blue.

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You can sit and hold your breath for 20 to 40 seconds. I've never seen anyone able to voluntarily drop below 90. Try it. Can't be done (not without training anyway). While asleep, you can cruise right by that. Not a good thing to do especially on a regular basis..

 

So, that's that. Remember I wear a watch. I'm not trained. See a specialist with any concern.

 

 If you're curiuous, get a fitbit with SPO2 working. But I don't think it's reliable. I've explained, it's using reflection. There are $20 oximeters that are way more accurate and more reliable than what any reflective reader can provide. That's got to be why they haven't opened it up. The tech precedes Fitbit and $300 smart watches, but none are doing SPO2 accurately and reliably (they can't, while a $20 finger oximeter on Amazon can). And when you move at night, the readings can get interrupted.

 

The finger dongles won't stay on at night and most won't record. I've been using a 50F plus wrist pulse oximeter Innovo  and download the data in the morning (to the computer). There's a bluetooth version now, it may do it on its own. It can also alarm when you tank (helps you wake up if you need to). Note: Fitbiit, please buy Innovo (or the originating tech) and do SPO2 right. (or somebody).

 

I would love to get a smart watch that does accurate heart (for sports) and SPO2. Eventually, there will be a bluetooth enabled finger sleeve sensor that can talk to your phone or smart watch. I've been waiting :). I hope it will be waterproof.

 

Hope that's a little helpful.

 

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Yeah so, the Versa has the sensor but it's not enabled, fior anyone just
tuning in. And, the Charge 3 was announced today with sp02. So this leaves
us with the following question: Da fuq?
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@MasterHigg wrote:
Yeah so, the Versa has the sensor but it's not enabled, fior anyone just
tuning in. And, the Charge 3 was announced today with sp02. So this leaves
us with the following question: Da fuq?

Well, yah, but Versa was announced with SPO2, also, and...haha.  So, announcing it doesn't impress me.  I'll be impressed when someone actually buys one that has it functioning, and uses it.  But I agree, da fuq?

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Agree, I need some sort Spo2 device to check continuously +/- few digits off is fine as long as it shows the recording. Fitbit should turn it on asap. Those commercially available Spo2 devices are not medical grade anyway. What is a problem here?



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The nature of reflective sensors is frequent drops. Accuracy is fragile and movement interrupts readings. So, usability is affected because the pulse rate and to a much greater extent, the SPO2 will be interrupted.  If they were just a little off but consistent, then overall usability would greatly improve. That’s not the case nor is it likely to be better to any significant measure.

 

I’m beginning to think…

 

Well, the thing is, I think there is a mad rush on the part of these companies to get a working SPO2 sensor going or to define a market for it.  It’s very tricky because the wrist sensors can only use reflection but programming and brighter sensors can/might be amazing.

 

I think it’s the wrong track.  Reliable SPO2 sensors and technology are widely available… and cheap, dirt cheap. Why bend a reflective sensor into a something it can’t be or positioned against something it can't compete?

 

But these companies are trying to define the SPO2-lite market (who?!) and then using this inadequate technology to target it. But they will miss.

 

Here’s the market for reliable and consistent (usable) SPO2 sensing…. Absolutely everyone. Everyone sleeps and everyone needs a sensor. Obstructive (airway) events occur because of body position, allergies, swollen glands, naturally large tonsils, fatigue, bad sleep patterns, bad pillows, etc.  It varies. Everyone experiences it at some point. Now, throw in the occasional drugs, ambien, pain-killers, beer, wine, etc. Then cross these variables. Some of us aren’t going to make it 😊.

 

Anyone who isn’t sleeping perfectly or who occasionally gets allergies, feels under-the-weather or drinks, (everyone) needs or would benefit from a sensor, preferably with alarm. It has to be inconspicuous, reliable and comfortable and 99.99% automatic.

 

Now add this to the fact that a proper sensor would enhance pulse reading (if you can read SPO2, the pulse is more accurate) and you’ve got something athletes would salivate over (particularly if consistent under movement). No reflective sensor (virtually any heart wrist watch) could come close.

 

Thus, ALL these wrist devices are going to be blown out of the water, across all market segments, by a very inexpensive, finger sleeve with a SPO2 sensor and Bluetooth. It will cost under $50.  It will probably be waterproof, it will work through most activity without a drop. It will be comfortable and inconspicuous, we’ll all want to wear them at night (or throughout the day) and during athletic events.

 

The wrist sensors will and should become a thing of the past (present). The smartwatch is nice for other reasons. It will incorporate the display from these better sensors.  But the built-in wrist, reflective sensors have reached the end of their lifespan.

 

The tech is out there and cheap. But they haven’t reached the market form and function necesary for everyone to pick one up and they aren’t yet integrated with mobile tech.

 

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There is also this one year old post https://community.fitbit.com/t5/Feature-Suggestions/SpO2-for-Ionic-and-Versa/idi-p/2304625#comments

 

They sold us a feature but to make it work they need to consider it first. 😂 

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@MasterHigg the answer: Don't buy from almost bankrupt companies, they are desperate.

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if you scroll down in comparison to other devices you'll see it.

 

 

https://www.gadgetsnow.com/compare-smartwatch/Fitbit-Versa-vs-Samsung-Gear-Fit2-Pro-vs-Samsung-Gear-...

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@Xero78 wrote:

if you scroll down in comparison to other devices you'll see it.

 

 

https://www.gadgetsnow.com/compare-smartwatch/Fitbit-Versa-vs-Samsung-Gear-Fit2-Pro-vs-Samsung-Gear-...


If you scroll down, you see that Versa has SPO2 ability, but that's what this whole thread is about--you can't actually use it, Fitbit hasn't made it operational yet, even though they advertised that it existed.

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does the SPO2 sensor tie in with the HB sensors API? if so maybe someone could develop an app to utilize that data?

 

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am I right in what your saying that the SPO2  sensor is built in but yet to have the ability to work ? 

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