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I have been using my Fitbit Charge HR for a couple of weeks now, and while I am finding so many aspects beneficial I have been encountering issues with accuracy regarding treadmill workouts.

 

Both step count and mileage in grossly under reported by my Fitbit, for instance today I did 3.83 miles of inclined walking and my Fitbit only recorded 5,608 steps and 2.4 miles.  I do not hold on to the rails at any point in my workouts and my arms swing naturally.  Every workout I've had on the treadmill I have had to delete the entry and manually enter the correct distance values, which then updates the step count.  It is winter in new England and not many brave souls are out logging miles in freezing conditions, I use my treadmill daily for workouts.

 

However, now I do not get credit for my manually enetered steps for daily challenges or badges.  

 

How can this Fitbit be so innacurate on both distance and step count on one of the most common methods of excercise?

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I have an additional complaint about treadmill inclines. I like to hike and often walk inclines on the treadmill to train for cardio. I've just had the charge 5 for less than a week.  I  have a chest strap heart monitor that I used previously and found to be very accurate with my perceived exertion. The fitbit on the other hand, seems wildly off. I often change the incline and speed for variation and have noticed when walking a lower incline at increased speed (which is easier )that fitbit will show I'm in cardio zone, while when I am at max incline and slightly less speed and am notably out of breath ( can't talk and pouring sweat) it will show I'm in fat burn with a pulse rate of 120 or so. I know from how I feel that my actual pulse rate is well over 160 and that I need to change intervals to recover.  I plan to use the chest strap and fitbit at the same time next session.  I also do not hold on.....except briefly because my body is telling me something completely different from my fitbit and my heart rate needs to come down. I have also noticed the steps and distance to be off using treadmill setting. My other regular form of indoor cardio is rowing ( ergometer) which the fitbit has proven pretty useless for as well.  Again,  it showed fat burn mode while I was speechless and sweating and showed about 1/4 the calorie burn compared to the ergometor.

Thus far I'm disappointed with it. 

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Buy a larger strap. 

 

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I am 75. I did .6 of a mile at the gym today, and my fitbit said I did only .4

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What about those of us who are older, but trying as best we can to remain fit? I am 75 and my husband is 80. We work out at our gym 3x per week. It is very frustrating to try to track one’s progress and not be able to. Telling people our age not to hold on to the handlebars so the device we purchased for over $100 will work is just plain criminally negligent. 

If this is your view at Fitbit, you should decline to sell them, let alone advertise them to anyone over 50!

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Hello @begete while r bbqing in place, or within a building, GPS can not used. 

If your distance is off, I would first check the step count. Then check the stride setting for the speed of the walk. The faster the walk, the larger the stride will be. 

Also holding onto the rails, besides being bad for the body, may cause the tracker from getting an accurate step count. 

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  • I have the same issue .. I am at least a mile under on a 5K
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I have the versa 3 and it’s the same. My distance is perfect on a race and I run and complete the same on a treadmill and it’s way off

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Fitbit will likely tell you not to do this, but I've verified this technique works 100% on a treadmill for a completely accurate step-count.

Take it off, and if you're using a Milanese Loop style bracelet, you're probably going to have to switch to a conventional one for this.

Place the Fitbit and strap around your ankle, about 2 finger-widths above the prominence of your ankle bone; preferences will vary, but I like mine facing inwards.  Use a strap of some kind or if your socks are reasonably snug and not all loose and floppy, you can use your sock to hold it in place, being sure that the sensor on the backside of the pebble or unit or whatever, has a direct and unobstructed view of your skin.  I actually modified the strap on mine so that it can hold itself on there with no assistance by carefully cutting an extra couple of holes in the end of the strap, but that's something I'd only do if I were you, once you're SURE how snug you're going to want it and therefore, where the hole should be.

I brought this up to Fitbit Customer Service/Tech Support once when I was having basically the same issue; the person I spoke with disrecommended this because he said that the device wasn't designed to read pulse there.  However, the anatomical structures of the bones and the muscles in the leg just above the ankle, and the one in the forearm just above the wrist, are basically identical except for size.  The tibia and fibula bones are slightly larger and likely slightly denser than the radius and ulna, but they are anatomically homologous or even analogous, and the skin overlying BOTH is basically the same, with both being riddled with blood vessels, both have the same number of layers of skin and even have similar thicknesses to them, and only differing in size by a modest amount, more than likely.

 

Whatever anyone tells you to the contrary, there is ZERO reason why it would be LESS accurate there, and likely it will be more; you claim that you don't use the grips on your treadmill and swing your arms naturally, but it's I think fair that you are likely constrained as to how you swing them, and you might THINK you're swinging them naturally, and you might think you're not at least occasionally reaching out and holding onto the bars to steady yourself, but if you were, then the device would almost certainly give you accurate readings.  I had the exact same issue.  When I started using my Fitbit Charge HR around my ankle, (and every subsequent Charge model I've had,) I actually set my phone up on the treadmill's book stand, and a tripod with a camera on it and recorded about 10 minutes of video of me walking on the 'mill.  I had live-update turned on, and I can verify that doing this test SEVERAL TIMES, it was accurate to a single step over several THOUSAND.  I actually was counting both AT THE TIME and later when I went and watched the replay which was able, thanks to creative placement of a mirror and the camera, to see my feet hitting the deck AND the phone's display counting off the steps.  Now... it did occasionally seem to get slightly off, but that's only because it doesn't update continuously in fact, but every... I think with the Charge 5, it's every 6 seconds.  So the count would vary slightly in the short term, but if I ignored that and just counted for several straight minutes, the results were EXACTLY CORRECT.  See, the Fitbit MIGHT record an arm-swing as adequate to count, but then again it might not depending upon how you swing them.  BUT... it will DEFINITELY count LEG swings as steps, that's for sure, unless you're dragging your feet or taking extremely small steps.  

 

Fitbit built a good product in the Charge series, pretty much every one of them... and there's no need to set your stride manually.  Let it detect it automatically for you; it's actually pretty good at that, I think, and if it's doing it automatically, very likely it's also adjusting that length continuously on the fly as you walk, jog, run, or sprint, which is good and necessary for accuracy and precision since your stride length continuously varies depending upon a number of factors, including how quickly you're moving, so why not let IT worry about THAT?  See, when you wear the tracker around your wrist, it only can INFER how many steps you've taken by how your arm swings on the natural and logical but occasionally mistaken assumption that you swing your arms just EXACTLY as you move your legs, and just about as far.  If you're counting how often and how far your leg moves, THAT lines up pretty much exactly with the number of steps you've taken, unless, again, you're dragging a foot or both, limping, etc.  For normal-gait normal ambulation, (walking normally,) having it around your ankle will let it know EXACTLY how many steps you've taken and from ITS perspective, there's no difference; it's even in the same orientation with respect to the force of gravity as it would be on your arm, and has the same general motion and path through space when it's on either appendage.  The heart rate is detected fine and at least as accurately as on the wrist, and it reads steps precisely.  The only downside is you do have to be a little careful not to kick it by accident with your other foot, but as long as you aren't routinely kicking yourself in the leg, the odds are pretty good that you won't kick your tracker.  (It might be a good idea at first to wear a sock with enough length to fold it down so there's two layers of cloth in between the device's faceplate and the outside world, just to enhance its survival odds, until you get used to wearing it there.)  If you try this and it doesn't work for you, and you've tried rebooting it and that didn't help, and quitting and restarting the app, (and failing that, uninstalling and reinstalling it on your mobile device,) then it might be time to consider upgrading to a newer model if you're still using one that's 4 generations back from the current.  If you absolutely must have the Fitbit on your wrist, then I'm sorry, I can't really help you.

 

IF you just need a timepiece of some kind to go on your wrist, think of the advantage of putting your step-counter/tracker on your ankle: you can go back to wearing the watch you actually WANTED TO WEAR anyway around your WRIST, AND you still get the advantages of using your Fitbit for fitness tracking, etc. unobtrusively around an ankle.  (If anyone notices the bulge in your sock, you can have fun with them and say you're on parole and have to wear the monitor.  When their faces go pale, pull down your sock and show them it's a Fitbit and that you're not a dangerous psycho-killer, but only if that's what you feel is appropriate under the circumstances.  Remember to smile and laugh ominously or if you think you can pull it off, maniacally.)  I would, though, turn all the notifications off if your current model has them, and set the screen mode to "manual wake" to conserve battery while wearing it somewhere you're unlikely to use the display if your Fitbit has an auto-wake feature.  Happy trail, good luck, and keep steppin'!

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Thanks I been wearing mine on my ankle for 4 years


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Thank you so much for the info. You gave me much and I really appreciate
it. I am 67 and do have some balance issues so, yeah, it’s really
necessary for me to hold on when I’m on the treadmill. I’ll be using your
suggestions. Again, thank you!--
Kathy Herndon

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your past~
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No worries. Glad to be able to help.
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I have worn mine on my ankle for years when on the treadmill. It’s extremely accurate for steps but not always accurate for HR(but it isn’t always accurate on my wrist either!)
I don’t think it’s as much an issue with holding on to the treadmill, as much as not having real forward motion. When I walk in the street with my hands in my pockets the device still counts steps fairly accurately.
Either way, steps are more accurate when it’s on my ankle. I have a Sense and I just easily change between the small and large straps depending on where I wear it. I work as a nurse I can’t wear any jewelry on my hands or wrists, so I wear it on my ankle anyway on my workdays.
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That makes, if you’ll forgive me… (Fitbit) Sense. 😄 Heh heh heh…

If you were right, not to be contrary, about the ‘lack of forward movement causing miscounting of steps’ thing, then it wouldn’t matter which appendage you wore it on while not moving forward; it would count inaccurately on wrist or ankle, yet inexplicably, according to your post, and in my experience, it’s very accurate when on the ankle, even in a walking-in-place context. I think what’s happening is that people THINK they’re swinging their arms while using a treadmill and not holding onto it normally and naturally, the same way they do when they’re NOT on a treadmill, but I suspect that there’s at least SOME difference, or how else would one account for the fact that magically, it can count steps pretty much perfectly when it’s on an ankle, but tends to have trouble when used on a treadmill and worn on a wrist?

It’s Occam’s razor. We’ve eliminated all other possible explanations, therefore, we MUST not be swinging our arms quite the same way on the treadmill as we do when walking in real life. It can’t even really be an issue that the treadmill is emitting EMFs that are interfering with the Fitbit’s radio or ability to count, because in the first place, my treadmill is manual, (has no motor,) and the resistance comes from a steel discus being rotated through the field of a magnet causing it to heat up, and using my body’s slowly falling a few inches over and over again with every step to do work, effectively, heating the room slightly and in the process providing me resistance to keep the belt from just going around faster and faster until I can’t keep up and ultimately fly off the back. But using mine, when the ‘Bit’s around my LEG near my ANKLE, it’s actually CLOSER to the magnet that might theoretically be interfering with the step counting or radio, so you’d expect, if that WERE the problem, for accuracy to be LOWER when worn on the extremity that is MUCH closer to the cause of the problem, but it’s the other way around. So obviously it’s not that. I’d offer that maybe it’s the way in which the deck of a treadmill flexes, a good thing for hips and knees, but if THAT were true, it would OBVIOUSLY not count right when crossing a bridge, especially a rope one, but provided it’s wide and steady enough to swing arms naturally while crossing, I bet it would count steps pretty much just fine even worn on the wrist while crossing that.

I suspect the magnetic field from the little ceramic magnet near the disc has NO impact on the Fitbit's operation at that distance on counting or radio, still being, at closest point of approach while using between my ankle-worn Fitbit and the magnet, probably a good couple of feet… or a couple of dozen inches, that is… a good half a meter or so, if that’s the preferred unit of measure. Per Occam, all that’s left is the way in which we’re swinging our arms, since it is the accelerometer that it’s using to count steps. Each time it senses sufficient changes in motion implied by acceleration, first through an arc in one direction, then right back in the other, tracing ellipses or ovaloid paths through space, or something similar to that. At least, that’s how I think it detects movement. Again, not trying to be argumentative but what else can it be? These don’t have other sensors on them that could be feeding them this information.

I’m currently using the Charge 5, and it doesn’t even HAVE, as I understand it, a barometric pressure sensor like some of its predecessors, which is why it can’t count stairs anymore. (Boo, hiss on that one… I really liked that feature.) It’s easy to see if GPS is the problem, (and I VERY much doubt it, as it doesn’t USE GPS to count steps as I understand it, but accelerometers,) but that’s EASY to test. Make sure if your device has GPS, which the 5 does, that it’s off, and disconnect it from your phone by putting the phone in airplane mode, then redo the test. If it’s still doing it, (if with GPS OFF and no phone for it to “talk" to, it’s still counting steps on a treadmill while worn on a wrist less accurately than when worn around the leg near the ankle,) and I think it will, that is, even with ONLY its accelerometers relied upon, it counts steps away from a treadmill accurately on wrist OR ankle, but it only counts steps accurately when using a treadmill when it’s on your ankle, it seems like it’s gotta be something to do with the way you move. I’d even go so far as to bet that if you were on a big enough treadmill, one where you could basically swing your arms and not hit ANYTHING while using it and THEN walked normally, it would probably count fine on wrist OR ankle, meaning it’s got SOMETHING to do with the constraint on bodily movement imposed by being surrounded by a treadmill. This CAN be tested. Just take the Fitbit somewhere with an enormous treadmill. Some airports have these, as I recall. When it’s not busy and no one’s around, turn off GPS and put the phone in airplane mode, note the number of steps you have, then get on one of those 100-foot long conveyor belts they have between concourses, turn around, and just walk, staying in one place as the conveyor tries to take you to “terminal B,” or whatever, and mentally tally off your steps.

Actually, even THAT belt might not be wide enough because there are still handrails to either side, but hopefully you get the idea. I’m confident it’s a matter of constraint. Either way, putting the thing on your ankle makes sense, though less so if you paid a LOT of money for a smart-WATCH. I got mine on sale, and it’s slimmer and more scaled-down verses the Sense or Ionic or Versa, I think, both in size, and in scope of what it can do, despite being pretty impressive for a ’tracker’ that I got for about a c-note.

Fitbit arbitrarily divides their devices into categories of “smartwatches” and “trackers,” and the Charge series are all definitely trackers. Having it on my ankle lets me wear whichever of my much-nicer-looking, dressier or hipper dumb-watches on my wrist. All three of mine are “dumb” but at least I never have to plug them in to recharge them. Two of them recharge themselves whenever enough light hits their faces, the third is powered by movement, which begs the question… WHY couldn’t Fitbit make a smart device, perhaps with an e-ink display to further reduce power requirements, and an automatic-movement based generator, if for nothing else than to extend battery life? OR a solar cell?

I forgot to mention the other scenario in which wearing it on my leg near my ankle is advantageous: while pushing a shopping cart through the human Habitrail that IS a modern grocery store. There’s SOME mild reciprocating motion that the arm goes through when walking while pushing a grocery cart, a slight up and down motion but I doubt it detects those NEARLY as well as when it’s on or near the ankle, so… yeah. The “being on shift thing” is another instance that didn’t occur to me as I’ve been away from that field of endeavor (I was an EMT once upon a time, many a moon ago,) for a LOOONG time, and didn’t HAVE a smartwatch then. It makes sense that you’d want to keep your expensive and fancy Fitbit AWAY from all the bodily fluids and harsh cleansers, etc., your poor hands get exposed to in that field. Good luck and take care, and thanks for all you do!
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